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We have already been over this. Yes, Dispensationalists believe this statement, just as it stands in the text of scripture.Matthew 24:34 ?
and what about
Matthew 24:34
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened [70 AD]
It is an escape from Judea which would protect the 1st century Jewish Christians from the wrath by the Roman army.............Strength to pass safely through – This is often mistranslated as ‘escape all these things’, which is a serious error and is incorrect, as the previous sentence has just stated ‘that Day will come upon everyone’. What the Lord promises, is not a removal from earth – an escape as such, but protection. Psalms 91, Isaiah 43:1-2
Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by dissipation or worldly cares so that the great Day catches you unawares, for that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Be on the alert, praying at all times for strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. Ref: REB
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strength to pass safely through – This is often mistranslated as ‘escape all these things’, which is a serious error and is incorrect, as the previous sentence has just stated ‘that Day will come upon everyone’. What the Lord promises, is not a removal from earth – an escape as such, but protection. Psalms 91, Isaiah 43:1-2
The pre 70ad Jews were futurists, the post 70ad Jews would be preterists..........All of the Bible Prophets were proved to be Prophets, some way or another.
Therefore we can be sure that what they have told us WILL happen and just because it has taken 1000's of years and still counting, that is no reason to comment as you have.
In fact your comment is the height of foolishness and means that you simply disbelieve God's Word.
BTW, I like many others here just scroll quickly over all your lengthy and wasted effort posts. We are all tired of your silly helivan and your Revelation 14:6 quote is still future anyway!
That still leaves this prophecy to be fulfilled for Israel and the Jews:In a stunning and remarkable moment, Netanyahu also declared to the people of Europe and the world that the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 have been fulfilled. The Holocaust, he said, represented the "dry bones" and "graves" of the Jewish people, and out of that horror the State of Israel was resurrected, just as the Lord said would happen through the Hebrew Prophet Ezekiel. Rarely has any world leader given a major address on an international stage declaring End Times prophecies from the Bible have come true. But that is exactly what Netanyahu did. - Joel Rosenberg
NTEB: God's Prophetical Promise To Return The Jews To Israel
I though this was relevant for Christians to read as a part of fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy.
No, all of these absolutely require their adherents to assume that most of Bible prophecy simply does not mean what it explicitly says.
There can be no escape from this indisputable fact.
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Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by dissipation or worldly cares so that the great Day catches you unawares, for that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Be on the alert, praying at all times for strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. Ref: REB
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strength to pass safely through – This is often mistranslated as ‘escape all these things’, which is a serious error and is incorrect, as the previous sentence has just stated ‘that Day will come upon everyone’. What the Lord promises, is not a removal from earth – an escape as such, but protection.
Thanks. I generally try to look at most greek words in a verse to see how they are used in other verses....The Greek word translated "escape" in Luke 21:36 is "ekphugein." This word most certaainly does not even imply either strength or passing through. It literally means "to be out fleeing." it is a form of "epheugo," which literally means "escape" or "flee."
The generation that sees "all these things" begin to take place may be the one that will not pass away until "all these things" comes to pass. This could be the generation that Jesus is speaking of.
1) When will these things (the destruction of the Temple) take place? This is obviously 70 AD.
James, and inspired author, wrote that the coming of the Lord was at hand2) And what will be the signs of your coming?
This is obviously His 2nd coming.
3) And what will be the signs of the end of the age? Again, His 2nd coming.
So we see that the prophecy answers 3 questions, 2 of which are interrelated, and Jesus is not clear on distinguishing which question He is answering at any given point.
We are well aware of all of these scriptures, and we ignore none of them. But we totally reject the interpretation that you place upon them.
This is basically saying that roughly a fourth to a fifth of everything God has bothered to tell us is not important.
What generation is Jesus referring to?
One possible answer is found in Matthew 24:32-33:
Matthew 24:32-34 NASB "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; (33) so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. (34) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Unfortunately your, and all the 'rapturists here, interpretation of Luke 21:36 as an 'escape' away from, even to heaven, cannot be correct, as the just previous verse plainly states this disaster will come upon everyone the whole world over. My REBible translates it correctly for that reason.The Greek word translated "escape" in Luke 21:36 is "ekphugein." This word most certaainly does not even imply either strength or passing through. It literally means "to be out fleeing." it is a form of "epheugo," which literally means "escape" or "flee."
claninja touched on this but it bears repeating.
James, writing under the infallible inspiration of the Holy spirit in the late 50s AD recognized Jesus coming was, at that time, "near, and at the door". James 5:8-9
Jesus explicitly said His coming would ONLY be "near and at the door" AFTER certain signs were seen.
Now, either James saw the signs Jesus spoke of in Matt 24, and was correct to profess that the coming of the lord was at that time "near and at the door" or James was wrong and was teaching AGAINST what Jesus taught.
Which do you think it was?
Luke, James and Peter writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spiritclaninja touched on this but it bears repeating.
James, writing under the infallible inspiration of the Holy spirit in the late 50s AD recognized Jesus coming was, at that time, "near, and at the door". James 5:8-9
Jesus explicitly said His coming would ONLY be "near and at the door" AFTER certain signs were seen.
Now, either James saw the signs Jesus spoke of in Matt 24, and was correct to profess that the coming of the lord was at that time "near and at the door" or James was wrong and was teaching AGAINST what Jesus taught.
Which do you think it was?
Yes. As Scripture clearly states. Whatever is the correct interpretation of parables such as that of the figure tree. They all applied to Jesus' immediate audience in the first century AD.Luke 21:29-36 Jesus told them a parable: Look at the fig tree, as soon as it buds you can tell that summer is near. In the same way when you see all this happening, you will know that the Kingdom of God is near. Truly, I tell you the present generation will live to see it all. My words will never pass away.
Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by dissipation or worldly cares so that the great Day catches you unawares, for that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over. Be on the alert, praying at all times for strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. Ref: REB
The present generation - or the generation present: the same thing. When they see Judah become a nation again, we will know the end times are upon us.
The fig tree – Israel is the vine, Judah is the fig tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10. The parable of the fig tree applies to the House of Judah, Matthew 21:43. Therefore when Judah starts to bud, that is: becomes a nation again, as they formed the State of Israel in May 1948, then within that generation, [a lifetime of 70-80 years] the end times events will commence. Ezekiel 12:25
The great Day – The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the multi prophesied judgement/punishment of the nations, an event that will come unexpectedly, sudden and shocking all those who have failed to understand the Lord's plans and purposes. Isaiah 29:5-12, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17
That Day will come upon everyone – There is no ‘rapture’ at this time, all will go through this time of testing. Isaiah 24:1, Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8
Strength to pass safely through – This is often mistranslated as ‘escape all these things’, which is a serious error and is incorrect, as the previous sentence has just stated ‘that Day will come upon everyone’. What the Lord promises, is not a removal from earth – an escape as such, but protection. Psalms 91, Isaiah 43:1-2
The presence of the Son of Man – Jesus called Himself the ‘Son of Man’, when He was present on earth in a human body. This was necessary so as He could become our ‘kinsman Redeemer’. After the great Day of the Lord, when every faithful Christian has gathered in the holy Land, they will stand in His presence when the 144,000 are selected; Revelation 14:1. Then, later at His glorious Return, His Name will be ‘The Word of God’. Revelation 19:13
The Bible was written for all generations. But only to. Jesus' own generation in the first century AD.Matthew 24:32-34 NASB "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; (33) so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. (34) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
The generation that sees "all these things" begin to take place may be the one that will not pass away until "all these things" comes to pass. This could be the generation that Jesus is speaking of.
Given the fact that Jesus' 2nd coming is mentioned in Matthew 24:30-31, the events around 70 AD cannot fulfill "all these things". BUT, I will concede that the fall of Jerusalem to Titus is prophesied in Matthew 24. Jesus was asked three questions:
1) When will these things (the destruction of the Temple) take place?
This is obviously 70 AD.
2) And what will be the signs of your coming?
This is obviously His 2nd coming.
3) And what will be the signs of the end of the age?
Again, His 2nd coming.
So we see that the prophecy answers 3 questions, 2 of which are interrelated, and Jesus is not clear on distinguishing which question He is answering at any given point.
Hope this helps;
Michael
I don't think this is necessarily true. Dispensationalists, at least those I have encountered, don't believe the prophecies of revelation were near or soon to take place. They place them instead 2000+ years later, which would be the opposite of "for the time is near".
Revelation 1:1-3 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servantsa the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.
Revelation 22:10 And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.
The Bible was written for all generations. But only to. Jesus' own generation in the first century AD.
So you are the arbiter of whether much of what Jesus said doesn't apply to us?Yes. As Scripture clearly states. Whatever is the correct interpretation of parables such as that of the figure tree. They all applied to Jesus' immediate audience in the first century AD.
Whatever Jesus meant it already happened 2000 years ago. As the Gospels of Matthew and Luke say in agreement.
The Bible was written for all time. The New Testament. Was given to Early first century Christians.So you are the arbiter of whether much of what Jesus said doesn't apply to us?
How do you draw the line for that?
No; I totally reject that concept; ALL of what Jesus said that was recorded, is for our instruction and has some application to us today.
Matthew 24:34 is an example, it is for the generation that sees the fig tree bud. That is Judah, represented by the fig tree, returning to the Land and prospering.
The generation alive when Jesus was there, were all killed or sold into slavery.
Preterism such as you believe in, simply leaves you in the dark about what God has planned for our future.
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