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I think you meant GOGGod is "of the land of Magog." This is a very different place than Assyria.
These two different individuals attack two different locations in Israel at two different times, with two different results.
James, isn't it possible that Sennacherib could have come down the west coast of Israel, then once defeating those parts, he then moved north east, and looped around Jerusalem and headed back down to Jerusalem from the north east, as described in Isaiah 10:28-32?Isaiah 10:28-32 describes an advance on Jerusalem from the north. But 2 Kings 18:17, 2 Chronicles 32:9, and Isaiah 36:2 all say Sennacherib’s forces came to Jerusalem from Lachish, which was southwest of Jerusalem.
Yep, typo. Thank you. It is now corrected.I think you meant GOG
I personally conferred with Dr. Ibrim E'phal, the head of the Department of Antiquities from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. (And a curator at the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago, where I met him, told me that he is the world's leading authority on the archeology of the Holy Land.) I said to him, "From my reading of the literature I get the distinct impression that there has been extensive evidence of the Assyrian presence found in southern part of ancient Judea, but absolutely nothing has been found in the part that is north of Jerusalem." He answered, with great emphasis, "That's EXACTLY right!"James, isn't it possible that Sennacherib could have come down the west coast of Israel, then once defeating those parts, he then moved north east, and looped around Jerusalem and headed back down to Jerusalem from the north east, as described in Isaiah 10:28-32?
Well, that was over 2500 years ago and the Assyrians may not have stayed in the area north of Jerusalem only for a short time. Maybe a couple of weeks, as they stormed through those towns.I personally conferred with Dr. Ibrim E'phal, the head of the Department of Antiquities from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. (And a curator at the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago, where I met him, told me that he is the world's leading authority on the archeology of the Holy Land.) I said to him, "From my reading of the literature I get the distinct impression that there has been extensive evidence of the Assyrian presence found in southern part of ancient Judea, but absolutely nothing has been found in the part that is north of Jerusalem." He answered, with great emphasis, "That's EXACTLY right!"
Any battle leaves evidence, and an army's stay of even a single night leaves evidence. And the stone and pottery implements they used do not decompose.Well, that was over 2500 years ago and the Assyrians may not have stayed in the area north of Jerusalem only for a short time. Maybe a couple of weeks, as they stormed through those towns.
James, I personally am not finding the archaeology argument that compelling.Any battle leaves evidence, and an army's stay of even a single night leaves evidence. And the stone and pottery implements they used do not decompose.
In Isaiah 10:6, the Lord says of the king of Assyria that “I will send him against an ungodly nation, And against the people of My wrath I will give him charge, To seize the spoil, to take the prey, And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.”James, I personally am not finding the archaeology argument that compelling.
The Micah 5 verses do refer a "the Assyrian" in the end times, it appears. But I would not connect the Isaiah 10:28-32 to it.
There is just not enough information to understand, imo. That the verse in Micah 5 cites Nimrod - imo, points to it might be referring to him..
Well, Israel, the northern ten tribes went into Assyrian captivity.In Isaiah 10:6, the Lord says of the king of Assyria that “I will send him against an ungodly nation, And against the people of My wrath I will give him charge, To seize the spoil, to take the prey, And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.”
Both Hezekiah and his people had been righteous and the Lord promised to save them from Sennacherib. But in the day described in Isaiah 10 the nation will have been ungodly and He will send Assyria to punish them. The first Assyrian was an enemy of God, while the second will actually be His agent.
Judah, the southern two tribes, went into Babylonian captivity.The Divine history and many prophecies clearly show that Judah’s affliction did not end at the destruction of Sennacherib. The Assyrian invasion was only the beginning of her great and long affliction, which has not yet ended. Indeed, their greatest affliction is still future.
The first and second Assyrians I spoke of were Sennacherib and the unnamed future one.Well, Israel, the northern ten tribes went into Assyrian captivity.
And that in Isaiah 10, it is not a second Assyrian.
Judah, the southern two tribes, went into Babylonian captivity.
I have now added the map, with notes, to my previous post responding to this request.If you think we can be so detailed, please draw a map from Isaiah 10:28-32, and show where it's inconsistent with what we "know" of his route from other surviving sources?
appreciate your scholarship!Actually, I have done that very thing, and the map is included in my forthcoming book, "Keys to Bible Prophecy," which is at the publisher's and is currently scheduled for release in the first quarter of next year.
The prophecy that details this invasion is:
“He has come to Aiath, He has passed Migron; At Michmash he has attended to his equipment. They have gone along the ridge, They have taken up lodging at Geba. Ramah is afraid, Gibeah of Saul has fled. Lift up your voice, O daughter of Gallim! Cause it to be heard as far as Laish; O poor Anathoth! Madmenah has fled, The inhabitants of Gebim seek refuge. As yet he will remain at Nob that day; He will shake his fist at the mount of the daughter of Zion, The hill of Jerusalem.” (Isaiah 10:28-32)
please note the passage I have highlighted in boldfaced red. This says that between Michmash and Geba, "they have gone along the ridge." Examination of a highly detailed relief map shows that there is a 200 meter high (600 foot high) horseshoe shaped ridge that runs from Michmash to Geba, as seen in the shaded relief map shown here.
The following details show the daily progress of this attack. Each stop specifically mentioned is marked by a red star in the map above.
Day 1:
“At Michmash he has attended to his equipment.”
Day 2:
“They have taken up lodging at Geba.”
Day 3:
“As yet he will remain at Nob that day.”
Day 4:
“He will shake his fist at the mount of the daughter of Zion, The hill of Jerusalem.”
This passage describes a defeat of ten cities in only four days. Even by modern standards, this is remarkable progress for an advancing army. There is no strength to resist his advance, for “he shall come against princes as though mortar, As the potter treads clay.” (Isaiah 41:25)
This map does not show the route of Sennacherib. It shows the route of the Assyrian described in Isaiah 7, 10, 14, 30, and 31, in Micah 5, and in every chapter of Nahum. The route followed by Sennacherib was about thirty-five to forty miles west, totally off this map. He himself never even came to Jerusalem, but only sent one of his generals, called the Rabshakeh, who approached from Lachish, which was south of Jerusalem. (Rabshakeh was a title, not a name, as most English translations make it seem.)appreciate your scholarship!
route in, from, and back to Judea looks very plausible
How did Sennacherib get to Judea in the first place, though? He didn't just appear on your map... he came from some direction -- did he come in from the "top" of your map ?
Does not state that it was at the same time though, as the saved are raised up, and then 1000 years later the lost!How do you get the above to agree with the words of Christ in John 5:27-30, and with the other passages I gave you?
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Does not state that it was at the same time though, as the saved are raised up, and then 1000 years later the lost!
I think I would ask that question over here ....Not to derail this thread but could someone explain what a theologian means when one says, "l'm reform (calvinism) when it comes to soteriology, but not eschatology." I understand what they imply when it comes to their belief of how one becomes among the "chosen/elect" (soteriology), but not sure of the implication of the eschatology (non-Calvinsim) part. Perhaps you could suggest a Youtube that explains it all.
Isaiah 10:28-32 describes an advance on Jerusalem from the north.
But 2 Kings 18:17, 2 Chronicles 32:9, and Isaiah 36:2 all say Sennacherib’s forces came to Jerusalem from Lachish, which was southwest of Jerusalem.
Archeologists have found extensive evidence of the Assyrian presence in this southern region, but not in any part of ancient Judea north of Jerusalem.
That is, not along the path described in Isaiah 10:28-32.
You reliance on the word "all" in 2 Kings 18:13 is unfortunate. For that is not the operative word here. The word "fenced" is. It says Sennacherib took all the FENCED cities of Judah. So your argument that this would include the ten cities mentioned in this prophecy simply falls to the ground.
Further, Sennacherib indeed, as you have observed, boasted that he had conquered 46 of Hezekiah’s fortified cities, with their neighboring small towns, by the use of siege ramps and battering rams. But you missed the fact that he said he accomplished this by boring holes and making breaches, as well as by relentlessly attacking with foot soldiers. Such a campaign would clearly take a long time. So it could not even possibly be the swift advance described in Isaiah 10:28-32, in which "the Assyrian" was prophesied to defeat ten cities in only three days.
These seven monuments are listed on page 10 and translated on page 129 of “Sennacherib’s Campaign to Judah : new studies,” by William R. Gallagher, Leiden; Boston; Köln: Brill, 1999. This authoritative book clearly presents the current state of historical scholarship on this subject. Working from a purely logical basis, it demonstrates the error in many objections to the historical reliability of Biblical accounts of this campaign. It devotes well over a hundred pages to these accounts, but doesn’t even mention any portion of Isaiah 10:28-32.
The best known of the seven monuments left by Sennacherib is often called “The Oriental Institute Prism” because it is held by the Oriental Institute. As this institute is part of the University of Chicago, the monument is also called “The Chicago Prism.” But the Oriental Institute simply calls it the “Clay Prism of Sennacherib.” This is evidently the particular one of these seven monuments you have quoted.
This monument (and each of the others) lists the cities Sennacherib conquered in this campaign. You incorrectly said that Sennacherib did not state his path as he invaded Judea. His list of the cities conquered clearly show that as he invaded this area he came along the seacoast, not inland through the mountains, which is the route described in Isaiah 10:28-32.
Comparing the divine account, as recorded in 2 Kings 18, 2 Chronicles 32, and Isaiah 36, with the account left by Sennacherib on his seven monuments, clearly shows that that as he invaded this region, he first pushed south along the seacoast to the southern portion of Judea and conquered that region, and then he came back up north to Jerusalem. (Although Sennacherib himself did not come to Jerusalem, but sent one of his generals there to demand their surrender.)
The fact that Sennacherib did not follow this route is so well established that A. T. Olmstead quoted Isaiah 10:28-32 in his monumental 650 page “History of Assyria,” with a mocking comment about how badly Hezekiah "blew" this prophecy. (from “History of Assyria,” by A. T. Olmstead, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1951, pgs. 301 and 302.)
My point here is simply this one point, that it has been thoroughly established that Sennacherib did not invade Judea along the path described in Isaiah 10:28-32.
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