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I am going to be honest with you and say that I do not know what "apostolic succession" is. Could you explain it for me?I know some will point to man made tradition, which Catholics obviously disagree with, but wondering if there are other major points. Thanks
I won't go too far into it as arguments always arise, but in essence apostolic succession is unbiblical and something the Catholics have adopted to claim authority and power.
2 Timothy 3:1617
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
I am going to be honest with you and say that I do not know what "apostolic succession" is. Could you explain it for me?
In every instant that man was ordained or anointed it was God who chose them, not man.How is it unbiblical? Matthias was ordained to replace Judas. The apostles ordained other men?
Are you really going to use an example of Judas of all people being replaced. The apostles brought members in to spread out to evangelize the people, to preach the Gospel, not to set up a hierarchy that would rule over all others, and claim authority.
Yea, that is not true only God ordination means anything and only God can give authority for an office.Apostolic succession refers to the fact that Jesus appointed twelve apostles. According to scripture, the apostles ordained other men.
The Catholic, Orthodox and Coptic Churches as well as many protestant groups have bishops whom they believe were ordained by those ordained by those ordained by those apostles.
Apostolic succession means that the apostles handed down their authority to other men in order to preserve the faith.
Then why make twelve apostles? Why have bishops, presbyters, and deacons?
Paul talked a lot about false preachers and prophets. They used scripture like everyone else. I am genuinely interested in your view here. Do you imagine that God gave men certain authority to write the scriptures and then just let it at that for 2000 years?
God gave us His Word written through the inspired writers, to furnish us with everything we would need.
Should I trust in a succession of men who you know yourself have done some terrible things, or in the inspired writers who wrote what was God breathed. Not a church hierarchy that is dubious at best.
Every single church office is so the person that is in the office can serve the church, and not for the church to serve them. God did not ordain titles, but responsibility. God will only ordain servants to serve. And the only authority that they have is to tell the truth. There is no hierarchy.Then why make twelve apostles? Why have bishops, presbyters, and deacons?
Paul talked a lot about false preachers and prophets. They used scripture like everyone else. I am genuinely interested in your view here. Do you imagine that God gave men certain authority to write the scriptures and then just let it at that for 2000 years?
"Apostolic Succession" presumes that the apostles laid hands on "bishops", who in turn laid hands on the next generation of bishops, ad infinitum, therefore there was apostlic succession even to the present day.Looking at Apostolic succession, other then Jesus teaching against man made tradition, are there other points that were direct teachings from Jesus against Apostolic succession? Would you say main points against would be Jesus teaching against manmade tradition and the verses in Bible about importance of Scripture? Any other main points thanks
Rather than apostolic succession, ideally God would raise up elders within churches who would (1) feed the flock, (2) warn the flock, and (3) take oversight of the flock (Acts 20:28-31; 1 Pet 5:1-4). But since man's traditions have trumped God's plan, we don't really see this in most churches.
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