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Here's the deal; Defend your nation right up untill the point you conflict with Gods law, which is not to kill another man. The same would apply to the police department, do your job only within the framework of God's law.Sven1967 said:You didn't answer if you believed that police officers were apostate. Also, please explain to me how nations can remain in authority without at least the ability to defend one's self?
Ratiocination said:Do you think that certain verses negate or nullify other verses
I'm not saying you are apostate because you served in the army, an apostate is determined by their present attitude of God's law. So if you now believe that serving in the army and defending your nation to the point of taking another mans life is ok, then that is apostasy. - Matthew 22:39.Sven1967 said:No, I do not. Does that answer you question? I'm trying to figure out which verse or verses you believe prove that I am an apostate because I served in the Army.
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Is there another purpose for the armed forces but to kill and break things?Ratiocination said:I'm not saying you are apostate because you served in the army, an apostate is determined by their present attitude of God's law. So if you now believe that serving in the army and defending your nation to the point of taking another mans life is ok, then that is apostasy. - Matthew 22:39.
Ratiocination said:I'm not saying you are apostate because you served in the army, an apostate is determined by their present attitude of God's law. So if you now believe that serving in the army and defending your nation to the point of taking another mans life is ok, then that is apostasy. - Matthew 22:39.
Not really, which is why is used "served" in a past tense, no person can judge on the basis of what has been "done", but only on the basis of how that person feels about it now, otherwise we demolish the whole forgivness thing.Wrigley said:Is there another purpose for the armed forces but to kill and break things?
Amen.Sven1967 said:Aren't you glad that we aren't all speaking German and exterminating the Jewish people?
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Ratiocination said:Amen.
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Vote for what? A human system that is doomed to fail. - Daniel 2:44.neocon said:I trust given your attitudes that you do not attempt to Vote or otherwise influence the State?
It will always be that there will be those who are willing to fight and die for the rights and freedoms of other man and those who are more than happy to just sit back and enjoy those rights while all the time comdemning the very men and women who died so the ungrateful could have their rights.Ratiocination said:I'm not saying you are apostate because you served in the army, an apostate is determined by their present attitude of God's law. So if you now believe that serving in the army and defending your nation to the point of taking another mans life is ok, then that is apostasy. - Matthew 22:39.
No, the Jewish Religions was not in apostasy. In fact it was so strongly adhered to that it became the total focus of their lives instead of looking for Messiah and being able to identify Him when He came. They got so wrapped up in the ceremonies and outward actions (sound familiar?) that they were not aware when the point of what they were doing was fulfilled. No, the Religion was there. The law was never meant to save, only point people to the cross with humility understanding what salvation costs and how impossible it would be to get it without Jesus.fatboys said:FB: Do you feel that the Jewish religion was in apostasy at the time of Christ?
You are way off base. The Bible does not say that it is NEVER appropriate to kill but only to kill for the purpose of killing, or to murder. There are many instances where war and death are commanded by God and to defend your family and your people is one of them. A police man must maintain order and sometimes that means pulling the trigger. God forbid one who has comes in here and reads your distorted view of it. God bless our troops for the terrible job they must do to protect innocent people from terror groups.Ratiocination said:I'm not saying you are apostate because you served in the army, an apostate is determined by their present attitude of God's law. So if you now believe that serving in the army and defending your nation to the point of taking another mans life is ok, then that is apostasy. - Matthew 22:39.
CrownCaster said:No, the Jewish Religions was not in apostasy. In fact it was so strongly adhered to that it became the total focus of their lives instead of looking for Messiah and being able to identify Him when He came. They got so wrapped up in the ceremonies and outward actions (sound familiar?) that they were not aware when the point of what they were doing was fulfilled. No, the Religion was there. The law was never meant to save, only point people to the cross with humility understanding what salvation costs and how impossible it would be to get it without Jesus.
I would in turn ask you how closely you think mormonism resembles the early Christian Church and if you could show those things on here.fatboys said:FB: How closely did the Jewish religion resemble the ancient religion at the time of Moses.
CrownCaster said:I would in turn ask you how closely you think mormonism resembles the early Christian Church and if you could show those things on here.
Going to a mormon apolegetics website isnt going to give you the truth. Fair and Farms, in order to make it seem like the early church was LDS, has to twist the truth alot.If you wish to learn Truth, go to the Professionals.
From the LDS perspective you can find lots of articles related to this subject at FAIR and FARMS for example online.
It would be even better to go to your local Deseret Books store or LDS related books store and get some of the books on the subject.
Because your simply asking something that is much to vast to post on a message board.
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Stephen E. Robinson is eminently qualified to write on the subject of Mormons and Christianity. He recieved a B.A. in English Literature and studied for a master's degree in Ancient Scripture at Brigham Young University. He recieved a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Duke University and is currently a professor of Religious Education at Brigham Young University.
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But I certainly was not asking you and would appreciate it if you would not respond. I have eliminated my interactions with you and wish to have none further. Furthermore, I have said it time and time again, I will not go to fair or farms for a scholarly look into mormonism. I once was one and can say from both ends of the coin that going to either of them is akin to asking farrakan to give me a scholarly look into the covenant of God given to Isaac.usetheforce said:If you wish to learn Truth, go to the Professionals.
From the LDS perspective you can find lots of articles related to this subject at FAIR and FARMS for example online.
It would be even better to go to your local Deseret Books store or LDS related books store and get some of the books on the subject.
Because your simply asking something that is much to vast to post on a message board.
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