APA's 1973 decision cannot be cited as medial consensus.

[Brieuse]

Well not my entire life because I haven't died yet, but for almost 52 years.

That would describe me, was there something you were needing?

Oh, I also didn't have sex before I was married, just in case that changes the qualifications of who you are looking for.

Would you say that you represent the majority?

 

[savedandhappy1]

Would you say that you represent the majority?

Most of those who believe that it is a sin to sleep around, and that marriage is to be honorable and the bed undefiled are probably pretty much dying out, SO?

Heb 13:4
4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

What does being the majority have to do with anything?

People stopped taking their children to church, and stopped teaching them the ways of the Lord at home. We have taken God out of so many thing in our lifes and then we wonder why the world is getting more and more evil.

I like the statement. "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing".

So again I would ask what being or not being the majority has to do with anything? If the majority of your friends jumped off a bridge would you? If the majority of people parked their cars on RR track and throw the keys out the window, would you?

It isn't what the majority of people are doing, but what the Lord says we should or shouldn't be doing. In fact we see by the scriptures that it won't be the majority, but the few.

Like 13:22-27

22And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Matt 7:13-23
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is so sad when I hear people say that they are going to do nothing about teaching their children about the Lord. They say they are going to let them grow up and decided for themselves.

The Bible tells us we are to bring our children up in the way of the Lord, and when they are old they will not depart from it.

So many people trying to make Christ and Christianity into what they want him and it to be, but we were warned about such teaching. It is sad that people can't see them for what they are.

 

[davedjy]

So many people trying to make Christ and Christianity into what they want him and it to be, but we were warned about such teaching. It is sad that people can't see them for what they are.

What I see as sad is that you accept something that would entirely be an arbitrary rule by God. You also believe that gays can be healed since you have deluded yourself into so-called deliverances.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Luke 4:16-22
16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Heb 11:24-36
24By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

We walk with the Lord progressively, going from victory to victory. 1 Corinthians 15:57 "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Corinthians 2:14"Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place." We just begin our walk with the Lord when we come to Him initially in salvation. That is just the beginning. You haven’t arrived at the promise land; your ticket to heaven isn’t punched. After we come to the Lord, there is much cleansing, sanctification and deliverance needed in the lives of most new believers. We begin as “babes” in Christ, feeding on the “milk of the Word” and grow in maturity until we can eat “strong meat.” We grow in relationship to our salvation and in deliverance from the sinful influences in our lives. 1 Peter 2:2"As newborn babes, desire [long for] the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" Hebrews 5:13-14 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

Likewise, deliverance is not the first thing we learn about when we come to Christ. We may learn about deliverance from coming to Christ and being saved and set free; but not about the inner bondages from our past that continue to effect our present life, decisions, and responses to circumstances. Yet at Calvary Jesus made atonement for the entire man, that we might we made completely whole, in body (physical healing), soul (emotional and mental healing of memories) and spirit (spiritual healing). John 6:32, 36"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. . . But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not."Jesus came to set the captives free!

Every Christian begins this life with areas where he is bound. Confessing your sins does not set you free from the bondages in your life. It can be a bondage to “the sin that doth so easily beset you” (Hebrews 12:1) or it can be of an obvious bondage to nicotine or alcohol or drugs (legal or illegal), or a deep emotional bondage and inner stronghold that Satan has built. Though in themselves they may seem insignificant to the totality of our lives, each area of our lives in which we are bound and not free, acts as a point of attack for the enemy; a launching ground where we are vulnerable, threatened and accessed by the powers of hell. If we have only a couple of holes in our spiritual armour, they are holes just the same and make us vulnerable, for Satan can get to us through those holes. When you come to Jesus Christ and make Him Lord and confess your sins and ask Him to come into your heart, you receive some immediate deliverance’s and freedom but you do not know or understand all that God has done in you. But if you don’t come to a knowledge of the truth that will keep you free, Satan will come, and lie to you and entrap you and put you right back into a bondage that Jesus already set you free. If the enemy has control of even one little part of our lives, he will use that to attack us and oppress us. From there he will attempt to gain back lost ground in the one that was saved, by attempting to “branch out” into other areas of their lives, piece by piece.

http://www.hissheep.org/deliverance/the_breaking_of_bondages.html

 

[Brieuse]

What does being the majority have to do with anything?

"The slogan: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent". 8 Emphasis ours]. Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent. 9
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:

11% of the adult population is currently divorced.

25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.

Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

To claim homosexuality is wrong because of our "high divorce rates" is hypocrisy when you take the above extraction into account.

 

[savedandhappy1]

"The slogan: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent". 8 Emphasis ours]. Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent. 9
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:

11% of the adult population is currently divorced.

25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.

Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

To claim homosexuality is wrong because of our "high divorce rates" is hypocrisy when you take the above extraction into account.

Interesting, since I made no claim and have not spoke of divorce. So speaking of hypocrisy.................

You ask:

Originally Posted by Brieuse
What straight person has only had one sexual partner his/her entire life?

I responded to that question, that I had.

So what does that have to do with divorce and how does that make me a hypocrite?

 

[davedjy]

To claim homosexuality is wrong because of our "high divorce rates" is hypocrisy when you take the above extraction into account.

Very true, yet it gets ignored by the very people who make the claims trying to slander homosexuals as "not being monogamous".

 

[Brieuse]

Interesting, since I made no claim and have not spoke of divorce. So speaking of hypocrisy.................

You ask:

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I responded to that question, that I had.

So what does that have to do with divorce and how does that make me a hypocrite?

I wasn't referring to you, but those in general that keep posting biased stats to condemn homosexuality by firstly treating all homosexuals as one group. So if they can so can I.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I wasn't referring to you, but those in general that keep posting biased stats to condemn homosexuality by firstly treating all homosexuals as one group. So if they can so can I.

So I'm confused why did you use my quote,

savedandhappy1[/B] What does being the majority have to do with anything?

and then put this below it?

Brieuse[/B] "The slogan: "The family that prays together, stays together" is well known. There has been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent". 8 Emphasis ours]. Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the Family said that for "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent. 9
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:

11% of the adult population is currently divorced.

25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.

Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

To claim homosexuality is wrong because of our "high divorce rates" is hypocrisy when you take the above extraction into account.