ANZAC Day...what does it mean to you...will you be doing anything to commemorate it ?

[WayonDown]

Same for my husband. He went to East Timor and Bouganville. Like you say Australians recognize the people who died serving their nation.

Hubby went to the dawn service for the first time as a civvie today. He seemed a little down when he mentioned there weren't many people wearing suits and medals - well we do now live in a little non-defence town after all.

Is he ex-1 RAR?

 

[joey_downunder]

I think it was 3RAR in Townsville. He was always in the signals/radio communication side, whether teaching army reserves or working in specialised units e.g. electronic warfare.

 

[TheDag]

I probably didn't understand your simple point because you rambled here and there initially.
You can equally apply that line of thinking to prostitution, would Jesus have told Mary Magdalene to be happy with her wages? Highly unlikely, in fact. No.

If Jesus told the Roman soldier to be happy with his wages, he is either condoning the military job or rather neutral to it. If he was against it, you have to think of a scenario of something else he might be against. Prostitution is one, how about hired hitmen? Would he have told hired hitmen to be happy with their wages? Again, highly unlikely.

You did construct a strawman, because what you said there makes it seem like I said "because Jesus said nothing about it, therefore it must be correct" - which is absolutely not what I said. I said that Jesus told the Roman soldier to be happy with his wages, and therefore his job in Jesus' perspective was probably not immoral.

However instructions on how to treat slaves were given. So once again using your logic that is condoning slavery. So still not a strawman. i may be guilty of poor phrasing I will admit.

It's all fun and games having a dialectical battle with someone on the internet about the illegitimacy of a military, but your theories falls flat on its face when faced with the prospect of the sheer practicality of it. In other words, following your line of reasoning we'd have about 50 battalions of Chinese infantry here overnight given the chance.

Now who is making assumptions about the other persons view? i have not made one comment on if having military is legitimate or not according to scriptures or practical as you put it here. I simply saying I do not believe your logic behind your reasons stands up to scrutiny.

i did attend a dawn service this morning. I attend that because it is remembering as opposed to the parades which are gloryfying in my opinion.

i don't like to deal in what ifs. Otherwise I could say what if China hadn't decided to close in upon itself? They would have continued to be the super power in this world. Nobody could touch them such was their might. Nobody could compare when it came to technological advances. Then they decided lets not do that anymore. So what ifs are a bit pointless.

This is not just a Christian issue, but a secular one. You maybe Christian, but you live in a world filled with people of various beliefs and ideas and fortunately for you, you live in a country that possess the ability to defend itself from foreign ideology so you can practice what you want. If you want an example of a country that can't maintain military standards and see what happens to its people, religious or not, go take a look at some of the African countries.

You really think it is that simple????
1. When countries borders were drawn up it was not done along tribal lines
2. Aid given to countries is always conditional
They are probably the two biggest problems and there are a host of others

 

[Born to Watch]

I think all this confusion can be avoided if people knew general definitions for things:

No, war isn't about revenge necessarily. Surely you can't seriously think that can you? And even if it were, it's not as clear cut as you present it.

Most wars are started for reasons completely other than revenge. Some wars like the Rwandan genocide for e.g. started due to revenge and hate within the people, but most wars do not start for that at all.

What if a country was invaded, like Poland was by Germany in 1939, so people defending themselves is revenge is it?

I'm sorry what exactly does the sermon on the Mount have to do with two types of morality? Morality based on love and morality based on law? Oh yea, that! How could I have missed it! No...I don't know what you're on about. If this is some unorthodox theological revelation you've derived after you read the Bible, I don't want to hear about it. If it isn't, elaborate.

Germany was seeking revenge on Poland for WW1

Whatever

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Germany was seeking revenge on Poland for WW1

Whatever

Are you serious? Poland didn't exist in WW1

 

[Born to Watch]

Are you serious? Poland didn't exist in WW1

File:Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009-small.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fair point
Before WW1 Poland as a country did not exist, true, after Germany was defeated in WW1 Poland were given sovereignty and land that had previously been Russian German and Austro-Hungarian. Hitler wanted German land "stolen" by Poland back and the Germans in Poland liberated.

Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is said to be one reason for the WW2.

So I should have elaborated or explained it a little clearer to eradicate misunderstandings.
WW2 was about revenge against Poland and France because of Germanys defeat in WW1.

The Jews probably suffered in WW2 because they refused to finance Germany in WW1 causing the war to end.
Its all about revenge, thats all.
Any other little issues I can clear up for you BB just ask.

I am sure my extensive historical knowledge will enlighten you

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I am sure my extensive historical knowledge will enlighten you

I doubt it but I'll bear it in mind if anything occurs. Thanks for the offer.

 

[Born to Watch]

I doubt it but I'll bear it in mind if anything occurs. Thanks for the offer.

I knew that would get a laugh, or at least something...

 

[TrutherAU]

China being the most unpredictable nation out of the three, regularly displays its military might and intention, if Australia did not have a military, you can be assured Indonesia and China would be at our shores given the chance. Resources and Land are invaluable, we have plenty of that and only a complete fool would not have a contingency plan and be crazy enough to think that simply having faith in God is going to stop an attack. It might do, but God gave us the power to reason and the ability to do. Faith and Action is the merit, not faith whilst doing nothing. It's up to us to defend what is ours, and if you have trouble coming to grips with this idea, go back to the old testament and revisit the ideas of territories which God ordained.

China would never need to invade Australia they can simply defeat us economically by simply hyperinvesting capital thus buying Australia out. Already this is happening with many large tracks of farm land in Australia being bought by chinese money some of this money is linked to their government directly.
Its pretty ironic from my point of view that Australia does exactly the same thing with the chinese that it did with the Japs before ww2 that is sell them the raw materials their military industrial system needs to produce the armaments that ofcause could be used against Australia in future conflict this includes uranium to nuke us to hell, however i doubt it will get to that point since china has enough nationals out here to literally swamp us out of existence with sheer manpower(immigrant,students) financially they can also do the same.

Anyone who has been to Sydney lately will get my point unless they are selectivly blind!