Anything goes?

[Freodin]

I could not but notice that this phrase comes up in the argument of certain people quite often. "Anthing goes" is seen as the epithome of evilness.

Why do people use it this way?

Well, "anything goes" evokes a certain emotion within us. Everyone of us has things that he consideres as negative. "Anything goes" implies that all the things that each of us abhors are ok and allowed. Anarchy, and not the good kind.

But this appeal to emotion is invalid. It is incorrect. In another thread, I asked for examples for societies that used the "anything goes" approach. I got the Roman Empire and its blood-sports, the "Greek" and homosexuality and "moloch and child sacrifice".

Yet what the poster seems to have ignored is that neither of these societies were "anything goes" oriented. Rather, they were highly controlled and constricted societies where definitly not "anything goes".


What these poster rather mean - consciously or not - by using this phrase is "something goes that I disagree with - how would you feel if something goes that you disagreed with"?

Neither our disagreement nor our feelings should be the basis for our actions. Our rationality should be... and regardless of how much the proponents of "anything goes is bad" assert it: they constantly fail to live up to their claims.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I could not but notice that this phrase comes up in the argument of certain people quite often. "Anthing goes" is seen as the epithome of evilness.

Why do people use it this way?

Well, "anything goes" evokes a certain emotion within us. Everyone of us has things that he consideres as negative. "Anything goes" implies that all the things that each of us abhors are ok and allowed. Anarchy, and not the good kind.

But this appeal to emotion is invalid. It is incorrect. In another thread, I asked for examples for societies that used the "anything goes" approach. I got the Roman Empire and its blood-sports, the "Greek" and homosexuality and "moloch and child sacrifice".

Yet what the poster seems to have ignored is that neither of these societies were "anything goes" oriented. Rather, they were highly controlled and constricted societies where definitly not "anything goes".


What these poster rather mean - consciously or not - by using this phrase is "something goes that I disagree with - how would you feel if something goes that you disagreed with"?

Neither our disagreement nor our feelings should be the basis for our actions. Our rationality should be... and regardless of how much the proponents of "anything goes is bad" assert it:


they constantly fail to live up to their claims.

In your opinion.


No wonder my self confidence is so strong. And my accusations, allegations and assertions are on the mark.

Humanism as a motivating and unifying force (liberals, progressives, secularists, socialists, atheists, agnostics, skeptics, abortionists, pornographers, evolutionists, GLBT's, etc., etc., etc., et al to be nemed if necessary) . . ., and those that espouse its dominance of influence in our educating of children through adults in our public and private and very expensive education system . . .

has promised us a better society.

It has gotten more degenerate, more lascivious, more licentious, more violent, more decadent, and has caused more fatherless homes, the family altered and redefined, marriage altered anf redefined . . . and is,

"anything goes" in actuality.

This view (that it and they that follow its tenets) will be build a better society for all, and, of how to run society by secukarism and relativism, has constantly failed to live up to the claims that it would.

In actuality, things are very disturbing now as a cause and effect of a failed social, philosophical, scientific, and ethical standards of a ideology based so close to "anything goes," that to use the phrase is not over- stating the case, but defining things as they are currently.

 

[quatona]

Anything goes nowadays...even religion and other such superstition.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Anything goes nowadays...even religion and other such superstition.

Certainly a place where liberalism has gone chaos.

Look at the superstition that the unborn are not people. It still is championed as if medical science didn't exist.

Anything goes only so much as it allows licentiousness.

 

[TheDag]

It has gotten more degenerate, more lascivious, more licentious, more violent, more decadent, and has caused more fatherless homes, the family altered and redefined, marriage altered anf redefined . . . and is,

"anything goes" in actuality.

Is this really what has happened or is it just that it is more publicised by the media? While doing a youth workers course a teacher produced some newspaper articles. You would think that after reading them it was a typical month where we live. However she then pointed out the articles were from the mid 1800's. This stuff has been going on forever. It is nothing new.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Originally Posted by Polycarp_fan It has gotten more degenerate, more lascivious, more licentious, more violent, more decadent, and has caused more fatherless homes, the family altered and redefined, marriage altered anf redefined . . . and is,

"anything goes" in actuality.

Is this really what has happened or is it just that it is more publicised by the media? While doing a youth workers course a teacher produced some newspaper articles. You would think that after reading them it was a typical month where we live. However she then pointed out the articles were from the mid 1800's. This stuff has been going on forever. It is nothing new.

It hasn't been a civl right before.

And do you really think that the crisis in youth has been as bad as it is now?

 

[quatona]

Certainly a place where liberalism has gone chaos.

Look at the superstition that the unborn are not people. It still is championed as if medical science didn't exist.

Anything goes only so much as it allows licentiousness.

Thanks for your interest in my post.

 

[Gilyon]

And do you really think that the crisis in youth has been as bad as it is now?

I would say it has... what about in the 70s? Of course, you can look at any generation, and they're always the worst in the eyes of their elders. I mean, just think of those crazy kids back when and their "rock" music. It's devil worship! It's the fall of American society!

 

[b&wpac4]

And do you really think that the crisis in youth has been as bad as it is now?

The young were having such a great time before the USUAL SUSPECTS of the time fought for child labor laws. I mean, they stopped children from being able to go out and earn a decent living! The nerve of those people!

 

[Verv]

Anything goes... Haha.

Well, think also of Freud: deep, down inside of us is just bestial instincts... We want to feel good; we want to take whatever we want; we want to maximize our pleasures in every way and avoid pain in every way.

Do you disagree with that?

Ironically, this Jewish atheist probably contributed more to our modern idea of the inherent evil of man than the concept of original sin. In the psyche of Westerners is the idea of an inherent subconscious bestial nature that I guess is surprisingly close to the premise of original sin -- that we are born sinners.

In a sense, I feel if you strip humanity down to its core most things are just constructs to fulfill our bestial desires under the guise of civilization.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Anything goes... Haha.

Well, think also of Freud: deep, down inside of us is just bestial instincts... We want to feel good; we want to take whatever we want; we want to maximize our pleasures in every way and avoid pain in every way.

Do you disagree with that?

Ironically, this Jewish atheist probably contributed more to our modern idea of the inherent evil of man than the concept of original sin. In the psyche of Westerners is the idea of an inherent subconscious bestial nature that I guess is surprisingly close to the premise of original sin -- that we are born sinners.

In a sense, I feel if you strip humanity down to its core most things are just constructs to fulfill our bestial desires under the guise of civilization.

Natural law is natural law.

You can call what happens to a large rock when thrown Ugguhboogah, but it'll still split your skull when gravity pulls it earthward if you are where it's going to land.

Original sin is as close to a scientific fact as anything else is. Observation, cause and effect etc., etc..

 

[Verv]

Natural law is natural law.

You can call what happens to a large rock when thrown Ugguhboogah, but it'll still split your skull when gravity pulls it earthward if you are where it's going to land.

Original sin is as close to a scientific fact as anything else is. Observation, cause and effect etc., etc..

My thoughts exactly.

 

[b&wpac4]

Original sin is as close to a scientific fact as anything else is. Observation, cause and effect etc., etc..

So, you can prove original sin to the degree that we can prove, say, gravity?

 

[Zaac]

I could not but notice that this phrase comes up in the argument of certain people quite often. "Anthing goes" is seen as the epithome of evilness.

Why do people use it this way?

Well, "anything goes" evokes a certain emotion within us. Everyone of us has things that he consideres as negative. "Anything goes" implies that all the things that each of us abhors are ok and allowed. Anarchy, and not the good kind.

But this appeal to emotion is invalid. It is incorrect. In another thread, I asked for examples for societies that used the "anything goes" approach. I got the Roman Empire and its blood-sports, the "Greek" and homosexuality and "moloch and child sacrifice".

Yet what the poster seems to have ignored is that neither of these societies were "anything goes" oriented. Rather, they were highly controlled and constricted societies where definitly not "anything goes".


What these poster rather mean - consciously or not - by using this phrase is "something goes that I disagree with - how would you feel if something goes that you disagreed with"?

Neither our disagreement nor our feelings should be the basis for our actions. Our rationality should be... and regardless of how much the proponents of "anything goes is bad" assert it: they constantly fail to live up to their claims.

Why do some posters use the phrase " What you really mean" or "what you're trying to say" or "so you're saying" ?

 

[soul_biscuit]

Natural law is natural law.

Homosexual behavior has been observed in dozens of animals. They are not extinct, nor do they show any signs of going extinct.

There is no natural law that punishes homosexual behavior.

Original sin is as close to a scientific fact as anything else is. Observation, cause and effect etc., etc..

Holy cow. That's one of the funniest things I've read all night. Original sin is scientific fact? This despite the fact that Adam and Eve could not possibly have existed?

 

[TheDag]

So, you can prove original sin to the degree that we can prove, say, gravity?

it doesn't need to be proven to the same degree. I could be wrong but perhaps what polycarp was talking about was how many people who talk about science place a huge emphasis on observation and cause and effect. it is through that method that original sin is proven. Scientists are very quick to point out that you can't test some things but it does not mean it isn't proven.

 

[TheDag]

And do you really think that the crisis in youth has been as bad as it is now?

Yes i do. Others have given good examples but let me say that the only difference is that there are more youth today as population increases and that the media puts more of a spotlight on it making it seem worse.

 

[morningstar2651]

I could not but notice that this phrase comes up in the argument of certain people quite often. "Anthing goes" is seen as the epithome of evilness.

Why do people use it this way?

Well, "anything goes" evokes a certain emotion within us. Everyone of us has things that he consideres as negative. "Anything goes" implies that all the things that each of us abhors are ok and allowed. Anarchy, and not the good kind.

But this appeal to emotion is invalid. It is incorrect. In another thread, I asked for examples for societies that used the "anything goes" approach. I got the Roman Empire and its blood-sports, the "Greek" and homosexuality and "moloch and child sacrifice".

Yet what the poster seems to have ignored is that neither of these societies were "anything goes" oriented. Rather, they were highly controlled and constricted societies where definitly not "anything goes".


What these poster rather mean - consciously or not - by using this phrase is "something goes that I disagree with - how would you feel if something goes that you disagreed with"?

Neither our disagreement nor our feelings should be the basis for our actions. Our rationality should be... and regardless of how much the proponents of "anything goes is bad" assert it: they constantly fail to live up to their claims.

People find comfort in their conspiracy theories. It's comforting to believe that our world is being controlled by the Jewish banking conspiracy, or by the secret homosexual agenda, or the reptilian shapeshifters, or the Atheistic Liberal News Media, etc. because the truth is far more terrifying.

The truth is that nobody is in control, and that scares people.

 

[Garyzenuf]

Holy cow. That's one of the funniest things I've read all night. Original sin is scientific fact? This despite the fact that Adam and Eve could not possibly have existed?

I think he means aside from the fact that it is impossible, its still fact.

*

 

[Freodin]

Why do some posters use the phrase " What you really mean" or "what you're trying to say" or "so you're saying" ?

Ah, you are quite correct, it does not do to assume to know the innermost thoughts of other people.

Put it down to lazyness: in writing as well as thinking... I didn´t consider "Hm, this is what I think they think" nor did I put a similar relativator to that statement.

But I don´t think that this... nor Polly´s expected rants against everything he disagrees with to the expense of the content of my post... does invalidate the idea behind the OP.

What do people - consciously or subconsciously - think when they cry "anything goes is bad"? They, from their self-proclaimed knowledge of history and rationallity, must know that "anything goes" is not and was not propagated by any society or major philosophical school ever. Not even the hippies went by "anything goes".