Anyone who knows about Ocd or how to answer bad thoughts, please help

[Karabear10]

These sort of thoughts were gone for a while and now they are back as bad as last time. This is the thought of when the Pharisees thought Jesus had a demon in Him or was not of God but the devil. Then comes the "how do you know thats not true?" This is the absolute worst thought I ever have. I feel I do need to have an answer for it. I truly do not want to feed this by reassurance-seeking but I feel so confused and frustrated with this thought in my head. How do I dispute this thought?

 

[Graydon Booth]

yea. mine has gone back to doubting God’s existence

 

[Karabear10]

What sort of things do you do to overcome it? I usually compulsively research but after a while I just feel like nothing will stop the doubt. Im sorry you're struggling with those things

 

[Sabertooth]

How do I dispute this thought?

Asked and answered...

@Karabear10,
Is your OCD being managed by a psychiatrist...?

@Karabear10, are you going to a church that is good at dealing with mental illnesses?
The worst thing you can do as a Christian with OCD is to isolate yourself from other Christians.

The Church & Mental Illness...

 

[Unqualified]

You know that Jesus is God.

 

[Tolworth John]

How do I dispute this thought?

25 Tips for Succeeding in Your OCD Treatment - International OCD Foundation
4. Always try hard to agree with all obsessive thoughts — never analyze, question, or argue with them. The questions they raise are not real questions ...

 

[Karabear10]

25 Tips for Succeeding in Your OCD Treatment - International OCD Foundation
4. Always try hard to agree with all obsessive thoughts — never analyze, question, or argue with them. The questions they raise are not real questions ...

Thanks for the reply. I just feel so bad like I need to know with absolute certainty about Jesus. These what if questions are killing me. Idk how to ignore something so important

 

[Tolworth John]

hese what if questions are killing me. Idk how to ignore something so important

Two things.
1. Look at the Facts, read Lee Strobles 'The Case for Christ' or look up Dr G Habermassses videos on the resurection of Jesus.
There is nothing wrong with doubts and questions. The sin is in not finding the answers.
2/ Learn to recognise and deal with ' intrusive thoughts '

 

[Mari17]

These sort of thoughts were gone for a while and now they are back as bad as last time. This is the thought of when the Pharisees thought Jesus had a demon in Him or was not of God but the devil. Then comes the "how do you know thats not true?" This is the absolute worst thought I ever have. I feel I do need to have an answer for it. I truly do not want to feed this by reassurance-seeking but I feel so confused and frustrated with this thought in my head. How do I dispute this thought?

I'm sorry you're struggling! I know how awful it feels to have intrusive thoughts. I guess my question for you is, Why do you feel that you need to have an answer for it?

 

[Karabear10]

I guess the best way to explain is that I want to know with 100% certainty about Jesus. Anytime I see a evil claim against Jesus my mind start to wonder....what if thats true, how do you know? It scares me. Its like my mind is warping what I know about Jesus and making me so confused. Thanks for the reply. I truly appreciate it

 

[TedT]

How do I dispute this thought?

Ignore it and praise GOD for HIS goodness to you as a sinner and the world; praise HIM for HIS perfections of glory and purpose for a few minutes or longer...then tell me how this goes for you after a month or two, eh?

 

[Mari17]

I guess the best way to explain is that I want to know with 100% certainty about Jesus. Anytime I see a evil claim against Jesus my mind start to wonder....what if thats true, how do you know? It scares me. Its like my mind is warping what I know about Jesus and making me so confused. Thanks for the reply. I truly appreciate it

I think we all have thoughts like these. But OCD makes us think that we're bad for having them, that we don't want to be Christians. But just because we feel that way doesn't mean it's true. We might get doubtful or negative thoughts, but that doesn't mean that we don't want to be Christians. We can still follow Jesus, and let our thoughts and feelings do what they may.

 

[PhillipInCalifornia]

I think we all have thoughts like these. But OCD makes us think that we're bad for having them, that we don't want to be Christians. But just because we feel that way doesn't mean it's true. We might get doubtful or negative thoughts, but that doesn't mean that we don't want to be Christians. We can still follow Jesus, and let our thoughts and feelings do what they may.

I have the same crazy thoughts. Keep in mind that Jesus said that if we come to him, he will "never" drive us away. That's true no matter how wild or unexpected your thoughts can be. I could write out ten similar tortuous thoughts I've had, just crazy, blasphemous thoughts, thoughts that I don't want to think. They usually leave me worn out for the day, or feeling that I'm not saved. I think the thoughts are demonic. Don't worry about trying to prove that you are 100% certain about Jesus. I have been married for 20 years. I cannot count the times where I wasn't 100% sure about my wife. But I stayed married. And guess what? It's better now that it has ever been. The point is that Jesus won't give up on you because you have a blaspemous thought or bizarre question. Read the book, "Gently and Lowly: The Heart of Christ for Sinners and Suffers" by Dane Ortlund. It has helped me immensely. I'm still a work in progress, but the book has done so much for me. Allow yourself time to get to know Jesus and build up trust. It's a relationship. It takes time, and has bumps in the road. Satan wants you to believe that you are worthless or rejected by Christ, but that's just a lie. 1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." Notice, it said he will purify us from "all" unrighteousness.

 

[Brad D.]

Forgive me for copying and pasting my post from the thread from the other thread on the issue with the cat, but I am impassioned and filled with compassion that people's spirits would be ministered to in this.
I pray this helps anyone who may read!

I believe one of the most liberating things we can do is just sit in the humility of who we are in moments like these, stare it head on, and dare not move from the light that is shown. Learn to sit in the blood of Christ for where you are not, and embrace the cross for where Christ wants to take you.

This will not be your last mistake, and neither will it be mine. So what are we going to do? If we are waiting on our own perfection for our peace, good luck! it will never come. The Lord will break us from this.

The Holy Spirit once mercifully showed me an image of a juggler in my minds eye and as long as the juggler could keep all the balls up in the air he was at peace, but eventually more balls were added into his circumstance so that he was never able to keep them up. And just as soon as he was able to get them back up yet once again, once again they would come crashing to the ground. I was that juggler. And the message was that my life was never going to be so perfect in my circumstances, and I was never going to find so much perfection in myself that the balls could always be kept in the air.

No, rather what God showed me was this was going to take faith, bearing both the imperfections and weaknesses of myself, and the imperfections of my circumstances, and all the trials and sufferings thereof, putting it all in His all powerful hands, accepting where I was not, trusting where He was taking me, and maybe most importantly of all trusting the Processes He was allowing to get me there!

He is working it all to His good. Being filled with all of this debilitating self consciousness is often worse than the problem. One of the most disarming things we can do to both Satan and the perfection our self life wants to feel in itself , is simply not run from or become worked up about our mistakes. Rather in that moment sit in the light be still and say " you know that may be true, I did make a mistake, I'm not perfect, You are right, but I will put my trust in the Lord that He will get me to where I need to be. Praise God let it be!"

 

[PhillipInCalifornia]

Thanks for the reply. I just feel so bad like I need to know with absolute certainty about Jesus. These what if questions are killing me. Idk how to ignore something so important

One verse that came to me on a day when I was spiraling downward in my OCD delusional thoughts was, "My power is made perfect in weakness."

 

[PhillipInCalifornia]

Forgive me for copying and pasting my post from the thread from the other thread on the issue with the cat, but I am impassioned and filled with compassion that people's spirits would be ministered to in this.
I pray this helps anyone who may read!

I believe one of the most liberating things we can do is just sit in the humility of who we are in moments like these, stare it head on, and dare not move from the light that is shown. Learn to sit in the blood of Christ for where you are not, and embrace the cross for where Christ wants to take you.

This will not be your last mistake, and neither will it be mine. So what are we going to do? If we are waiting on our own perfection for our peace, good luck! it will never come. The Lord will break us from this.

The Holy Spirit once mercifully showed me an image of a juggler in my minds eye and as long as the juggler could keep all the balls up in the air he was at peace, but eventually more balls were added into his circumstance so that he was never able to keep them up. And just as soon as he was able to get them back up yet once again, once again they would come crashing to the ground. I was that juggler. And the message was that my life was never going to be so perfect in my circumstances, and I was never going to find so much perfection in myself that the balls could always be kept in the air.

No, rather what God showed me was this was going to take faith, bearing both the imperfections and weaknesses of myself, and the imperfections of my circumstances, and all the trials and sufferings thereof, putting it all in His all powerful hands, accepting where I was not, trusting where He was taking me, and maybe most importantly of all trusting the Processes He was allowing to get me there!

He is working it all to His good. Being filled with all of this debilitating self consciousness is often worse than the problem. One of the most disarming things we can do to both Satan and the perfection our self life wants to feel in itself , is simply not run from or become worked up about our mistakes. Rather in that moment sit in the light be still and say " you know that may be true, I did make a mistake, I'm not perfect, You are right, but I will put my trust in the Lord that He will get me to where I need to be. Praise God let it be!"

Your insights were very helpful to me. I am that juggler, too. I have become obsessed with being good. I always feel that the negative thought in my head is that one thought that will keep me out of the kingdom. I try SO HARD to be good even though Christ says that I can't, and that only he can do it for me. It is maddening to be that juggler.