Anyone who has experience with binaural beats which change the brain waves?

[wr2]

I saw something about theta waves. Surgeons for examples practice putting their brains in such a state because this makes them more effective and so on. These waves are supposed to make learning easier and also help with other things. In the documentary I saw the attached some electrode to the head of the person and then had a computer program running which helped him see wether his brain is making theta waves or not. This way he could practice making those waves.
There are also mp3s out there which use binaural beats which supposedly change your brain waves and help getting those theta waves. I think this sounds interesting but what I don't like is that most of these mp3s which use this technology are also about meditation and chakras and occult stuff like that. This makes me wonder wether using this technology is harmful. I tested an audio program which was supposed to help you fall asleep but it did nothing for me.

 

[parsley]

There was a thread on this about a year ago, but it might take some time to dig up. My conclusion -- annoying sounds, not relaxing. Sound in itself is not of the occult, whether controversial groups use it or not. But if you put yourself into a zone where you lose control of input, then you could be in a more vulnerable state. I don't think the binaural beats were intended for hypnosis, but to challenge brain patterns a different way... (I'd have to check again).

 

[wr2]

I think the question is wether changing your brain waves artificially by listening to such engineered sounds could somehow open you up to demonic attacks or something. I think that many christians would say something like that. I find it hard to say wether this is paranoid thinking or if it's right. It's easy to become afraid of anything as a christian and always see a danger in everything. But maybe this stuff is really dangerous, I don't know.
I think some of those mp3s which are designed to help you with learning or help you change bad habits also contain subliminal messages. What if those messages can change something in you without you noticing it or wanting it?

 

[Burdened]

I’ve had experience with binaural beat exposure. I can personally tell you that the level of impact varies from one person to the next and it can produce significant and sometimes permanent changes in brain activity. I can also tell you that the effects that science can measure (brain waves) and those that an individual can experience are not at all the same.

The beats impact brain function, which impact the functionality of the nervous system, which in turn can impact all physiological body function including sensory perception. It’s a bit of a gamble because it’s impossible to predict the type, degree, longevity or desirability of the impact from one person to another. In that regard, it’s like taking a psychotropic drug… there can even be unwelcomed flash-backs and persistent lasting emotional and/or physical discomfort.

It’s often touted as enhancing spiritual awareness because it can make lasting alterations in perception and thought. Again, this is similar to the LSD claims in the 1960’s. Like LSD, it can change brain function, but not a person’s connection with things divine. It’s an illusion, potentially dangerous snake oil and can impair one’s true spiritual and emotional balance.
Will it open you to demons? I can’t really say, but it definitely can scramble your eggs.

My advice… stay clear!

If you require more convincing… send a PM.
Burdened

 

[holythemholyme]

I used to listen to those and I found a good article that said the beats place you in a relaxing state of mind that makes you slower to think...in a sluggish kind of way, you could feel peaceful but the slower waves are more activated so if you do this day after day quick thinking could be impaired?

 

[Burdened]

Thanks Holythemholyme,


Long lasting (as in months) dulled thought is one of the more mild possible results.


“Relaxed”… These are the vague terms promotional/sales articles typically use, non-specific and non-medical. I know people who have suffered kundalini syndrome (search Wikipedia) as a result of meditating while using binaural beat recordings. As I mentioned, it depends on the individual. It also depends on the specific frequencies blended into the beat structure.


I’m not trying to ‘demonize’ binaural beat as an area of science, but rather to state a warning based on personal firsthand experience that it is not well researched and often soft-peddled as something to play with.
Please be careful.

Rosco

 

[wr2]

Thanks for your replies, this really doesn't sound good.

What do you think about subliminal messages are they dangerous too?
You can get audio products with subliminal messages for almost anything.
I'm not convinced that this stuff even works, but if it should work then what if it's dangerous?
Could such messages implant thoughts into your mind without noticing it?

 

[Brownstoned]

quit reading into it too much. ive already tried it and its annoying. its just a bunch of sounds, more like background noise, rotating back and forth in stereo, using quick changes in frequencies. for most people it just gives them a headache (like me) and hurts their ears (like listening to the neighbors play beiber all day long). if you want to try it to see if it relaxes you (doubt it) give it a try, but if you are wanting to try it because you are into some sort of cult stuff, then obviously its not the audio thats the problem, its your intentions on what to do with it.

 

[drjean]

It's quite a science and giving wonderful results for many. There's nothing satanic about it when used for good. ...as with everything God created, the devil will use it for bad.

Here are links to read more about the basics: BrainWave Generator BrainWave Generator - Theory

God created us with a marvelous brain. None of use it's full capacity. I've been using a delta wave CD to help me calm and sleep each night.

Science has even proven that to score higher on tests that you have studied for, play classical music ahead of time. Also, they've (experts) found a cadence to reading Hebrew (especially the Psalms I think) out loud that works in harmonics for good.

Meditation, self hypnosis... none of these things are evil. They can be useful tools to renewing your mind as a Christian, imo.

 

[wr2]

Hi,
I once saw something on TV about surgeons doing brain training on the computer to train how to create theta waves in their brain. This was interesting. This supposedly also helps you perform better in tests. There are even computer programs and EEGs for home use but I don't know if this stuff really works cause usually EEGs cause a few thousand dollars and the home EEGs are most likely toys which do not really measure your brain waves. But this stuff is definitely interesting because I have a lot of stress and anxiety and if there were ways to really effectively deal with anxiety then I'd be interested in it but I wouldn't want to do anything questionable or occultic. The problem is that when you search for brain wave stuff or subliminal stuff then it seems closely connected to the new age. For example many of the producers of subliminal messages to become more successful or to quit smoking also have mp3s about kundalini and stuff like that which is clearly occult and dangerous. That's why I'm sceptical wether this is safe to use.
I even tried a subliminal mp3 once which was supposed to create a 30 minute sleep. I lay in bed and listened to the entire mp3 where you were told to relax all kinds of muscles but I didn't fall asleep. Maybe this stuff doesn't even work.

What exactly is self-hypnosis? Is it telling yourself positive things again and again? I only know that most christians would consider real hypnosis were someone else hypnotizes you dangerous. I also wouldn't want to be hypnotized by another person.


I checked out the link your provided presets for astral travelling or chakra stuff, which is clearly occult and dangerous. This makes the entire brain wave stuff itself appear dangerous, too. If the technology itself was safe then why is it always closely connected to new age stuff?

http://www.bwgen.com/presets.htm

 

[drjean]

What you are discussing takes time to learn so that you can benefit the most from them.

Everyone has been hypnotized so no fears necessary. I'm sure you've heard of "highway hypnosis" which is where you dissociate somewhat and before you realize it, you're where you wanted to be, or have missed the exit you wanted etc.

Even a master hypnotist cannot force you to do what you would not want to normally do. (You're thinking of brain washing?) But there's a big difference between hypnotists and hypnotherapists. The former is consider a showman, doing stunts to amuse or amaze people. Hypnotherapists are certified and hold to a creed and are committed to help people. Still, if you do not trust one, they cannot hypnotize you as you are in control of even your subconscious. Can they put you at ease and maybe get you to answer some questions (think about "The Mentalist" tv show) ..if you're out of sorts and not thinking clearly, yes. But they can't make you do anything.

Hypnotherapy is a great tool for some who have blocked memories or such and can't seem to find the source of behaviors they wish to change. The mind/brain as God has created us, does know but sometimes walls things off to protect us. Once we're able to handle them, it will release them. Hypnotherapy can help move that along (but still, if it isn't time, it won't happen.)

Self hypnosis is also a learned skill, but not difficult. You remain in total control, but learn how to guide yourself into areas of thought or control that the total focus allows you... It's wonderful to block pain (I used some for childbirth, and since---once you know the reason for the pain, such as a splinter, you don't need the pain to warn you.) There are books available to help you learn how (with actual "scripts" to read and learn until you find what you prefer.)

It's a form of deep meditation and I don't doubt that some great prophets of old used such thinking and quiet times. If there's an emergency (house fire) while you're doing this, no worry, you are aware enough to respond.

To me, it's just another way to use the wonderful, marvelous brain God has given us.

For those still unsure, you can always pray for God's protection during your meditations and hypnotherapy...

 

[wr2]

Hi,
when you talk about hypnotherapy are you referring to the stuff which Erickson did? I heard about this before but from what I heard I got the feeling that this is dangerous. For example I read some books about manipulation and that salesman also use techniques invented by Erickson where you for example make 1 true statement followed by 2 vague statements and this way you can actually trick a person into believing false statements or statements which aren't logically true for example when you say something like:

In winter it is cold (true)
and we all know that when it's cold we need to warm us with alcohol (false) .....

You start with a true statement followed by something you want the other person to believe and you simply bypass their criticial thinking this way. I don't know if this always works but I don't think that this is ethical. I don't want to go to a therapist and then feel like he is trying to manipulate me with such kinds of tricks.

Do you believe that every problem has a root and if you find this root, maybe in childhood, then everything's fine and the problem is solved?
For example if the parents got divorced and the child develops fears later on in life and the reason for it was the divorce then I don't think that becoming aware of this would change much. Most likely the person himself is aware of the fact that this incident wasn't very beneficial for his later development.
Another danger I see is that you could basically go to a therapist for decades turning around every stone in the past without solving anything.

 

[drjean]

There are many psychologists who also use hypnotherapy, having been certified in such. There isn't anything to fear if you go with a certified hypnotherapist, imo. They are very skilled in their modality, and seek to help people heal, not force anything upon them. It is not dangerous with them.

Where you might consider "danger" is with an unskilled person, without any proper certification, and who has no training even in psychotherapy. Where that is concerning is especially if they were to lead a person under hypnotherapy to unearthing trauma material. If a person is not ready to deal with the new memory, and the "therapist" doesn't know how to wrap it back up, they could be left in an unsafe state emotionally, even once out of hypnosis (because many people recall all that occurs while under hypnosis).
The actual hypnotherapy itself is safe, and doesn't harm your brain or mind etc.
Each person has control over his or her mind, truly. Think about when you are in a quiet, secluded place and keep the world from your thoughts... and how deeply focussed you can be on any one topic...and how much information you have about how that makes you feel (that topic) and why you have the view you have about it. There's no harm in that, right?
Some people can't get to that point on their own. Their anxiety, or concerns, or even their families intrude. Some people have certain behaviors that are not healthy, yet they can't seem to find that "root" cause on their own. Hypnotherapy can help them find, maybe just by recalling a particular experience where mom yelled at them (for example only, sorry moms) ...and it had such an impact upon them, it has formed their current behavior. And for some, they have abuse in their past. While general psychotherapy can uncover this, slowly and methodically, sometimes they hit a block in memory that they can't seem to get through, even though the patient really does want to ... and hypnotherapy often helps with this.
All of our actions, opinions, viewpoints, speech have been learned and shaped by our experiences. As adults, we decide what works for us and what doesn't, usually. Yes, finding the root of a problem is necessary, but just finding it only sometimes corrects the problem. (Perhaps considered an "ah ha!" moment...like if someone always combed their hair a certain way only to realize their dad combed his hair that way).
It's good to know the root, but not always necessary. As you shared, just the knowing doesn't create a solution. But once you know the "why" or "how" it came about (the view, behavior, a reason for it) it's also important to investigate how that view or behavior is helping or harming your life...and psychotherapy helps you realize how it has affected many areas of your life so you can change it's affect.
I may be rambling...
take self hatred for example. People who are always seeking perfection, people who feel they never do anything right, who don't fit in, have eating disorders or self harming behavior etc., are usually people who have self hatred. They may be having issues in school with fighting, or in the workplace or church by always putting others down, or being unhappy with co-worker's efforts. They could be projecting their own self hatred onto the other people.
Where has this originated in them? For what purpose does it exist? Finding the "root" in that they grew up in a very stringent household, or realizing they are being frustrated because a teacher teaches/tests only one way and they can't understand the material that way, then that paves the way to recognize when they are reacting and cope by the reframing of their thoughts to a more healthful result.

 

[wr2]

Hi,
but what about for example people who claim they lived before and then under hypnosis they remember all kinds of details which they could impossibly have known? I have seen such things on TV. Now if they didn't live before then how can they remember details of places where they lived centuries ago? To me this makes hypnosis appear dangerous because if those memories aren't real then they can only have been from demons who lived back then in those places and can provide the details. If hypnosis can open you up to demonic input then I wouldn't want to risk it.