I believe KJVO is not a true doctrine, as it has no Scriptural support, even in the KJV itself. Anyone wanna try to defend KJVO ?
Have you considered non-doctrinal and non-Spiritual reasons? The academic credentials of the translators for example? The amount of men working on the translation or the time spent translating the KJV? Also what Bible version do you use?I believe KJVO is not a true doctrine, as it has no Scriptural support, even in the KJV itself. Anyone wanna try to defend KJVO ?
Have you considered non-doctrinal and non-Spiritual reasons? The academic credentials of the translators for example? The amount of men working on the translation or the time spent translating the KJV? Also what Bible version do you use?
I do not believe the KJVO belief either needs or has to be defended, any more than Christianity itself needs or has to be defended, those who do believe in KJVO do so by faith.
All of the arguments I have heard against KJVO belief centers around semantics, grammar, ease of reading, if that is all one wants or needs then fine with me, read what you want, but don't make KJVO another battleground for Christians to divide themselves over.
Personally I go for clarity of understanding, continuity of thought, I'm content to be a KJVO advocate when asked, I have never in all my 53yrs of walking with the Lord, ever felt I needed anything else to bolster or give me deeper Understanding and Knowledge, it doesn't need to go any further than that.
As far a debating the issue, there is no issue, it's OPINION.
You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine, in the end were still Brothers in Christ and that is all that matters.
Be Blessed in HIM
I would like to ask where is God's perfect Word then? Why can't a translation be accurate?The KJV, as all translations are, is a product of God's perfect word handled by imperfect men.
The lack of Scriptural support is alone a good reason to reject KJVO. God is not limited to any one translation in any language. While some languages may have only one translation, there's nothing preventing further ones from being made.
What versions do I use ? Mostly, the NKJV & NASV. I study the older ones from Wycliffe's thru the Bishop's & the KJV, especially the AV 1611.
I would like to ask where is God's perfect Word then? Why can't a translation be accurate?
I really don't understand how you can say there is no Scriptural support when the Bible itself is the support.
My last thought is I don't think people's issue is another translation being made. It's another translation that affects the text and doctrine. I've heard "KJVO" people say themselves, even Pastors, that they wouldn't care if it was updated into a modern language. That isn't what modern verisons do though.
The problem for me personally is it wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful and also the use of thee, thou, thine, ye etc for me is a good thing.
As far as I know, even in the 17th century people did not speak like the King James Bible in every day speech.And again, no one regularly uses Elizabethan-Jacobean English any more in everyday life.
"Power" doesn't matter if ACCURACY isn't there. The KJV has its share of inaccuracies.
Who says the accuracy isn't there, YOU?
Inaccuracies according to who?
Sounds more like you just don't believe what is because you personally weren't there to witness it.
You either believe what is written or you don't, after all what we profess is Faith not proof.
Are there things which don't fit your Doctrine?
If that is your only argument / complaint against it then the discussion is over.
As far as I know, even in the 17th century people did not speak like the King James Bible in every day speech.
More info about that is mentioned in this website post: Authorized Review – Chapter 5: The KJV as a Second Language
Also in response to some of your earlier points I will send this post: Where does God say the book of Esther is perfect Scripture? – AV1611 Blog It goes on to address some of what you said.
The reason I am sending website pages and not answering myself is because I agree with them and would just be repeating what they say but not as eloquently.
I believe KJVO is not a true doctrine, as it has no Scriptural support, even in the KJV itself. Anyone wanna try to defend KJVO ?
No. I use it now and then, it's a translation.
I do not believe the KJVO belief either needs or has to be defended, any more than Christianity itself needs or has to be defended, those who do believe in KJVO do so by faith.
All of the arguments I have heard against KJVO belief centers around semantics, grammar, ease of reading, if that is all one wants or needs then fine with me, read what you want, but don't make KJVO another battleground for Christians to divide themselves over.
Personally I go for clarity of understanding, continuity of thought, I'm content to be a KJVO advocate when asked, I have never in all my 53yrs of walking with the Lord, ever felt I needed anything else to bolster or give me deeper Understanding and Knowledge, it doesn't need to go any further than that.
As far a debating the issue, there is no issue, it's OPINION.
You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine, in the end were still Brothers in Christ and that is all that matters.
Be Blessed in HIM
I would like to ask where is God's perfect Word then?
Why can't a translation be accurate?
I really don't understand how you can say there is no Scriptural support when the Bible itself is the support.
My last thought is I don't think people's issue is another translation being made. It's another translation that affects the text and doctrine. I've heard "KJVO" people say themselves, even Pastors, that they wouldn't care if it was updated into a modern language. That isn't what modern verisons do though.
The problem for me personally is it wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful and also the use of thee, thou, thine, ye etc for me is a good thing.
Jesus.
They are as accurate as people can make them.
But language changes, and new discoveries are made.
The Bible does NOT say "The KJV is the ONLY Bible that Christians should use". Therefore, there is no Scriptural support for that claim.
No, some modern versions omit words that were never in the Greek text but which were ADDED by the KJV.
In previous arguments, KJV onlyists have always compared the modern versions with the KJV, and where they've differed, forwarded that as proof that the KJV is the more accurate. That is not correct - we need to compare all versions with the Hebrew/Greek texts to see which are the closest. It seems that KJVO folk are not keen to do this - probably because they may find that their preferred version is not the most accurate.
God's word has enormous power.
By his word the world was created; by his words sicknesses have been healed and the dead raised.
Many "KJVO" people are fluent in Greek and can read Koine Greek. I'm currently learning Greek myself. Please read the above links sent to Robycop also.That is not correct - we need to compare all versions with the Hebrew/Greek texts to see which are the closest. It seems that KJVO folk are not keen to do this
Where does God say the book of Esther is perfect Scripture? – AV1611 BlogThe Bible does NOT say "The KJV is the ONLY Bible that Christians should use". Therefore, there is no Scriptural support for that claim.