Many in this college class had been church goers all their lives. They were just as troubled to hear this as the so called “heathen”...not a good reflection on churches...so much bad teaching out there
We don't really makes accurate assessments of other people though we think we can.
If they / anyone/ doesn't hear the truth in church, where are they going to hear it?Many in this college class had been church goers all their lives. They were just as troubled to hear this as the so called “heathen”...not a good reflection on churches...so much bad teaching out there
The New Testament is full of examples of people that I would consider "on fire" for God. They made assessments and were fueled by those assessments to reach the people they made assessments about with the Truth of God, before it was too late for them.
In some cases, they actually made assessments that led to them cursing people.
Actually, they did not make assessments in nor of themselves.In some cases, they actually made assessments that led to them cursing people.
If they / anyone/ doesn't hear the truth in church, where are they going to hear it?
I understand that we look at things differently. You have made that clear in other posts.
If they / anyone/ doesn't hear the truth in church, where are they going to hear it?
Actually, they did not make assessments in nor of themselves.
Yes, they did curse people(or spoke out against them if not cursed),
they cursed those people (or spoke out against them if not cursed)
WHEN YAHWEH DIRECTED THEM TO.
That's a big, big difference - to be directed by Yahweh, as Yeshua(Jesus) was,
so also He Trained His disciples to be.
To not have their own (nor our own) judgments, but to JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, YAHWEH'S JUDGMENT.
To know Yahweh's Judgment is unique (rare) in this world we live in just as it was when Jesus trained the Apostles and disciples. Most people never know it nor realize it (God's Judgment) until it is too late for them. All their lives they reject God and His Judgment. Then when they are before His Throne , it is too late.
Jesus said that I am the light of the world.......you say not to even think that I am good enough for heaven.Just curious....how did you arrive at that conclusion? I thought the teacher was spot-on
We aren’t and will never be good enough
We are only good enough because...
I don't see an issue.It would be more helpful to choose one of these statements, instead of implying that they both can be true.
If they / anyone/ doesn't hear the truth in church, where are they going to hear it?
I see no problem with it. We can never be good enough, and we are good enough.I don't see an issue.
we aren't good enough. Christ is. He is our Savior, Advocate and Lord.
Show me the verses that make either or both untrue
Jesus said that I am the light of the world.......you say not to even think that I am good enough for heaven.
The Lord said let the weak say I am strong.....You imply that if I am weak, I should not even think that i am strong....you say I should only think about my weak state.
Paul said whatsoever things are just, are of good report, are righteous....think on those things......you say that I should remove the best thought I could ever have from my mind.
The question is, should I believe the bible or man?
Thinking of failure may help some....but there are also a lot of people who arent willing to try to make something they believe they arent good enough for.
How many try out for a team when they are told they arent good enough to make it? How many go for that Job interview when they are told they arent qualified for it? How many go up and sing that song, when they are told they arent a good enough singer.
I see no fault in other preaching the message that you arent good enough for heaven.
My message however, will be: Jesus Loves you, and He believe you are good enough for heaven and wants you there with Him......if fact....he left the people in HEaven just to come down and get YOU.....This is how much He wants you there! Let Him show you the way back to where you belong.
I agree, we dont disagree. I aim to follow peace with all man.....holiness without no man shall see the Lord.Ray....thanks for your input....I don’t think we disagree that much....I think we just kinda see some things different.i would be interested for you to expand your thinking on your last sentence....what is The Way Back you referred to? God bless
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