anyone aware of this discussion?

[rmwilliamsll]

I think that Eire's _War Against the Idols_ proves beyond a shadow of a
doubt that Calvin would have excommunicated both Frame and Jordan
without a second thought - given the idolatrous nature of their beliefs
regarding public worship.

from: http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/saul.htm

 

[Percheron]

Yes, well aware Count me in with the party-pooper regulativists.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Yes, well aware Count me in with the party-pooper regulativists.

how widespread?
what denominations effected?
involved in J.Frame moving to RTS-FL?

tia

 

[Ioustinos]

Pardon me for being ignorant to this topic but could someone give some background and/or detail about it?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Pardon me for being ignorant to this topic but could someone give some background and/or detail about it?

the big issue is the regulatory principle in worship. What does it mean, how does culture interact with it. The regulatory principle is that God is only pleased with our worship if we do what is commanded in Scripture.

The immediate context of the discussion starts with a book--J.Frame's Contemporary Worship Music: A Biblical Defense. and how it was received in the conservative Presbyterian/reformed churches.

I can read long essays like the one i linked to in the OP, but i don't know what is going on in churches or discussions in various presbyteries to understand what people think about the book. This essay words things really strongly and i wonder how many people think this way. I can see changes in J.Frame's professional life- he's PCA and at RTS-FL but don't know if these issues caused the changes. That is why i posted here, in hopes that someone is personally familiar with what happened.....

 

[Percheron]

how widespread?
what denominations effected?
involved in J.Frame moving to RTS-FL?

tia

Oh gee, I don't know. I thought you were just asking if people were broadly aware of the Reformed debate over worship/regulative principle, not the specifics of Frame's situation. That I don't really know about, and have not read his book, though I know of it and have read Brian Schwertley's review of it, which makes it sound pretty bad: http://www.reformed.com/pub/frame.htm

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Oh gee, I don't know. I thought you were just asking if people were broadly aware of the Reformed debate over worship/regulative principle, not the specifics of Frame's situation. That I don't really know about, and have not read his book, though I know of it and have read Brian Schwertley's review of it, which makes it sound pretty bad: http://www.reformed.com/pub/frame.htm

i didn't realize that people had printed such strong words against J.Frame. I knew he got a lot of flack for the book, but i don't know all the personal level things that went on.

it's funny, the web makes it possible to learn a lot, but there is still a gap if you don't interact with the issues with people. so i guess that is what i am lacking, insight into the personal side of the discussion that essays like this can only hint at.....