Any secular justification for "Defense of Marriage"?

[selfinflikted]

I don't think a majority have ever taken the time to think about it.

That's not what polls indicate.

And homosexuality is natural. Get over it.

 

[WindStaff]

That's not what polls indicate.

The polls indicate that the slight majority of Americans don't care about homosexuality.

Really, a lot of people don't. They vote up because they just figure it's okay.

And homosexuality is natural. Get over it.

Prove it. Entertain me and attempt to so I can throw it all back to you as invalid. Like what I do with feminism, you see

 

[Belk]

The polls indicate that the slight majority of Americans don't care about homosexuality.

Really, a lot of people don't. They vote up because they just figure it's okay.



Prove it.Entertain me and attempt to so I can throw it all back to you as invalid. Like what I do with feminism, you see

Incorrect.

Same-Sex Marriage Support Reaches New High at 55%

 

[Skaloop]

Prove it. Entertain me and attempt to so I can throw it all back to you as invalid. Like what I do with feminism, you see

Considering that homosexuals come from all walks of life (i.e. regardless of upbringing or religious beliefs or culture), and that homosexuality has been documented in nature, I would love for you to attempt to throw it all back to me as invalid.

 

[WindStaff]

Considering that homosexuals come from all walks of life (i.e. regardless of upbringing or religious beliefs or culture), and that homosexuality has been documented in nature, I would love for you to attempt to throw it all back to me as invalid.

Homosexuality, 'documented in nature', is a joke. Two penguins together in a zoo does not make for an argument, period. You still have the entire biosphere of Earth to account for.

And while homosexuals come from 'all walks of life' as you put it, most of them come, dubiously, from an influencing culture of homosexuality.
We didn't go from 1% to over 3% of the population being homosexual out of some coincidental spike in DNA structures. It got that way because of the culture.
I know the excuse though- 'they are just coming out without fear'. And that's a big load of nonsense. You will say the same thing when it reaches 4 percent, even though they've been free to do so since the 70's.

 

[Aldebaran]

Considering that homosexuals come from all walks of life (i.e. regardless of upbringing or religious beliefs or culture), and that homosexuality has been documented in nature, I would love for you to attempt to throw it all back to me as invalid.

Child molesters, rapists and murderers come from all walks of life too. Does that mean it's all good and an example for us to follow. Ok, here's the part where you click "Quote" and type, "Are you seriously comparing homosexuals to murderers???"

 

[Belk]

Child molesters, rapists and murderers come from all walks of life too. Does that mean it's all good and an example for us to follow. Ok, here's the part where you click "Quote" and type, "Are you seriously comparing homosexuals to murderers???"

No, here us the part where we point out that a rebuttal to a claim is not the same as an argument for something. Rebutting a claim of "x is not natural" by pointing out it fits the definition of natural is not a claim that all things natural are good. Especially since that would be committing the exact same fallacy the person claiming it is "Unnatural" makes.

Naturalistic fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Aldebaran]

90%, huh? Too bad they aren't around to voice their opinion.

Thankfully, a majority of Americans do not agree with you.

The majority of Americans are appallingly uninformed and uninterested about things beyond what they see on TV and in the movies. Ever heard of Jay Leno and his "Man on the Street" routine? It was a real eye opener.

 

[WindStaff]

Child molesters, rapists and murderers come from all walks of life too. Does that mean it's all good and an example for us to follow. Ok, here's the part where you click "Quote" and type, "Are you seriously comparing homosexuals to murderers???"

A great many molesters, HIV carriers, and mass murderers come from the gay community.

Picture that, we're crazy for thinking something is wrong with homosexuality.

 

[Belk]

A great many molesters, HIV carriers, and mass murderers come from the gay community.

Picture that, we're crazy for thinking something is wrong with homosexuality.

Citation please.

For you molestation claim

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

 

[WindStaff]

For you molestation claim

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation

Biased homosexual apologetics.

Oh man

There's so many things wrong with that source. First, the moving deception- making it about the idea that ALL homosexuals are molesters instead of the idea that there is a valid trend in homosexual culture and molestation.

And then, trying to differentiate male-male molestation with homosexuality based on the fact that most all of them report no homosexual sex life.
It is true that typically, there is no prior homosexual tendency. It is also true, however, that molesters tend to be molesters because of sexual frustration- not being able to reap such activity or at the very least too insecure to seek it. This no doubt explains why priesthoods, who practice celibacy, unfortunately have the potential for molesters in their ranks.

I could go on and on, but why? You choose to listen to whatever serves your cognitive dissonance, there's no reason to tell you what you know is true.

 

[Cearbhall]

A great many molesters, HIV carriers, and mass murderers come from the gay community.

Picture that, we're crazy for thinking something is wrong with homosexuality.

Same with the black community. What does this have to do with the possession of that trait? What do you plan to do after telling gay people that you wish they weren't gay? Cross your fingers and hope that gay people stop being born?

 

[Skaloop]

A great many molesters, HIV carriers, and mass murderers come from the gay community.

Far more come from the straight community.

 

[WindStaff]

Far more came from the straight community.

The gay community is an overwhelming minority. If the percentage of those things were the same in the rest of society as it is with them, this world would end.

Maybe now you see why God put them to death in the Old Testament.

 

[Aldebaran]

Same with the black community. What does this have to do with the possession of that trait? What do you plan to do after telling gay people that you wish they weren't gay? Cross your fingers and hope that gay people stop being born?

Is anyone arguing that here? How do you equate Christians trying to defend the traditional definition of marriage with wishing gay people were never born? You guys get completely off topic so often that you forget what the discussion was about.

 

[Cearbhall]

Maybe now you see why God put them to death in the Old Testament.

Skaloop and I are not Christian, as you can see. Why would this be of any significance to us? I'm aware that the majority of cultures throughout history were homophobic and would have written their literature accordingly, though if you're referring to Sodom and Gomorrah, the traditional understanding seems to be a misinterpretation of the original text.

 

[WindStaff]

Skaloop and I are not Christian, as you can see. Why would this be of any significance to us? I'm aware that the majority of cultures throughout history were homophobic and would have written their literature accordingly.

"Homophobic". If that's how you perceive ancient people and their sacred religions in which they were dying for then go right ahead. Were they homophobic or are you just consumed by a gay agenda?

Besides, you couldn't have gays in tribes anyhow, they were dead weight. Legacies were everything back then. But as well, they would have just cast them out, not kill their own kind.
God dictated however that they put to death.

 

[Cearbhall]

Is anyone arguing that here? How do you equate Christians trying to defend the traditional definition of marriage with wishing gay people were never born? You guys get completely off topic so often that you forget what the discussion was about.

I suggest you look into the context of my statement. Namely, WindStaff's recent posts. Opposite-sex marriage, which I assume is what you mean by "traditional" marriage, has nothing to do with this particular exchange.

 

[WindStaff]

if you're referring to Sodom and Gomorrah, the traditional understanding seems to be a misinterpretation of the original text.

Mosaic Law dictates that homosexuals be put to death.

Sodom and Gomorrah was well before Moses, and they no doubt had homosexuality in their cities along with every other deviance. It doesn't really matter if homosexuality was the prime reason or not, the fact is that if one can deviate so badly with heterosexuality, then homosexuality is in itself abominable by default, as the natural law from the very beginning is between man and woman.

 

[Cearbhall]

"Homophobic". If that's how you perceive ancient people and their sacred religions in which they were dying for then go right ahead. Were they homophobic or are you just consumed by a gay agenda?

They were irrationally afraid of same-sex attraction and sexual activity. I never said that this makes them evil. Having a phobia is usually a neutral accusation. "Homophobic" only has a negative connotation because it's against a group of people and therefore often leads to discrimination and abuse. As long as no action is taken against the group in question, it's really just up to the person to work through his or her fear. So yes, I would call them homophobic.

Also, I'm not sure why you seem to think this is the entirety of my perception of these civilizations and their religious systems. It's simply one observation.