Any Presuppositional Apologists in here

[johnny_redeemed]

I am looking for a some presuppositional apologists to helpme in the debate forum. It is me against, about, 7 athiest. I could use a hand.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

thread is at:
http://www.christianforums.com/t1160912

paper to be read first is at:
http://www.geocities.com/viper234/walkertag.htm

TAG and TANG are really tough arguments to make before an unbelieving crowd, basically they are only persuasive to the choir.

check out:
http://www.reformed.org/apologetics/martin_TAG.html

part of your problem is how to show:

Another criticism of the transcendental argument is that it demonstrates the sufficiency of the Christian worldview to account for human experience, but it does not demonstrate the necessity of the Christian worldview.

which is the first step in the discussion.
you have (TAG-->sufficiency)-->necessity
when the argument would be more persuasive as:
necessity--> sufficiency-->TAG


see someone like Stanley Jaki for the beginnings of this.
(Cosmos and Creator or The Savior of Science) even someone like Joseph Needham.

but fundamentally i think the argument fails because it assumes too much of a Christian worldview. What exactly is the point of contact between a believing and unbelieving world view? That is the only starting point that will logically break into an atheistic viewpoint. TAG assumes a lot of things not in evidence to those people, as the discussion testifies.



btw
what school at you at?
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[johnny_redeemed]

What exactly is the point of contact between a believing and unbelieving world view? That is the only starting point that will logically break into an atheistic viewpoint. TAG assumes a lot of things not in evidence to those people, as the discussion testifies.

The point of contact is the fact that, we as believer, know that they know God exists, but they are suppressing that truth. It is our apologetic task to show that to them.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

The point of contact is the fact that, we as believer, know that they know God exists, but they are suppressing that truth. It is our apologetic task to show that to them.

ok. what is it about God that they know?
and how do they suppress this truth? is the suppression successful? that is are they unconscious of both the truth and the suppression of it?

btw.
i see you are in Phoenix, which PCA church are you a member of? i'm in tucson at rincon mountain. small world.
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