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I saw the same on AIG and figured it was quote mined. It seems a bit too short to be a debate and there isn't any science to be found. I was hoping for more, but maybe that's all it amounted to.
I bet if one of us was motivated enough, we'd find the CNN Scott debate with another debater, along with the possible rantings from the penut gallery (Isle, et al or whatever his name is).I have my suspicions as well. It seems far to short for something Eugenie Scott would have bothered going out of her way for.
Creationists believe humanity is only a handful of thousands of years old.Why did humanity survive for 250,000 years before the bible was written?
"The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is...
Um, nice claim. Just like the article you're ripping on it lacks backing.The Bible got its moral codes from various earlier pagan and abrahamic traditions so to chalk morals up to the Bible alone is rather silly and short sighted.
by Dr. Jason Lisle, AiGU.S.May 15, 2009
"The Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and any alternative leads to absurdity.So if I read this correctly, if the Bible, a book, was not the word of god but simply a concocted mythology, we would have no logic (A + B = C). Nature would not have any uniformity(?) what so ever; and everyone would be morally bankrupt. Doesn't sound good no matter how you slice it.
If the Bible were not the Word of God, we would have no foundation for all the things we take for granted, such as laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality. The law of non-contradiction, for example, is based on the self-consistent nature of the biblical God (2 Timothy 2:13).
. . . it is the Bible that tells us that God will uphold the future as He has the past (Genesis 8:22). All science depends upon such uniformity. "
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he's saying that even though the Bible is a totally screwed up equation that doesnt make a lick of sense, you have to put on crazy xray goggles you get from the back of the comic book for ninteynine cereal boxtops to read the equation correctly.
i think...
Does ANYONE back their claims or assumptions around here?Actually, logic serves to debunk the Bible, I'm not quite sure how one could argue we gain logical capabilities by reading a book in which burning bushes speak to people, and the world has twice been populated by a single family.
I have no idea what the point in the middle is about, to be frank.
And actually, humans have morals because if we didn't, our species would not survive. Morality is the finest example of evolution yet. If humans did not care about rape or murder etc, there would be constant chaos, people would be killing themselves and others left and right, and we'd all be dead by friday.
Um, nice claim. Just like the article you're ripping on it lacks backing.
I can't fathom that logic. People are a product of their times, not the Bible. People had moral codes before the Bible, pagan tribes had moral codes. The Bible got its moral codes from various earlier pagan and abrahamic traditions so to chalk morals up to the Bible alone is rather silly and short sighted.
tcampen said:Why did humanity survive for 250,000 years before the bible was written?
As I say, make of it what you will. But it is interesting I think. And more importantly, it does offer an explanation of why many people are able to be moral without God or the Bible, even before Christianity.
I always found this point of view weird. You can't see how a culture could organically realize that murder is bad, or theft is bad without these laws being written to their hearts?
What do we consider morality? All God's laws are not written in the heart. Which ones got written?
Also, 2/3 of the Bible was written "before Christianity".
I can't.As everybody can see all creation and the universe and can appreciate that a creator was responsible,
I can say that. Material reality in no way presupposes the existence of a creator. Anyone who says it does is arguing from false premises.so that no person can say "show me evidence of God". The Bible says that everyone can see the moon, stars etc so that no one is without excuse.
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How would you explain the universal conscience of man if you don't believe it is God's imprint of his basic laws to all humans?
To me it makes perfect sense. How could all human beings in history be judged before God for crimes if they didn't hear of God or read the Bible? The very fact that the vast majority (I'm talking about 99.9999999999%) of people have such a thing as a "conscience" tells me that some form of universal morality is built into us all. It does not have to be learnt.
A little like how migrating birds aren't taught to fly across different continents. It's hardwired into them.
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