I have a question about my favorite horse color/breed. what is the difference between Paint and a Pinto? TO me I think they look the same, but I know one is a color and the other is a breed.
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They really are basically the same thing. The only difference is a Paint horse has parents that are reg. AQHA, Jockey Club, APHA...and some other breeds, i'm not sure which. A pinto is a horse with any parents, doesn't matter if they're reg. or not. Any horse can be reg. Pinto, not every horse can be reg. Paint.
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It depends where you're from. In the UK we consider Paint and Pinto to mean the same thing, and we don't normally use either of them - we say piebald (black and white) or skewbald (white and any other colour/s)
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It's all in the breeding.
The Paint Association only recognizes the Quarterhorse and Thoroughbred bloodlines. The Pinto Association recognizes all bloodlines except for Appaloosa, Draft and Mules. Therefore, the Paint can be registered in both the Paint Association AND the Pinto Association. The Pinto cannot be registered in the Paint Association. Also, proof of pedigree/lineage is not required to register a horse as a Pinto because it is a colour registry. It is necessary for Paints.
Now, let me explain one thing that people get confused about, the color patterns. Paint horses aren't always colored, some turn out solid but may still carry the genes needed to have colored offspring. Pinto, on the other hand, is ANY breed of horse exhibiting the Tobiano or Overo characteristics. That's why there is such a thing as a "Solid Paint" but not a "Solid Pinto".
Tobiano is a dominant color pattern, and is most common. A Tobiano generally has four white legs, at least below the hocks and knees. The dark color of the pattern is usually covering one or both flanks and the spots are regular and distinct (smooth ovals or round patterns that extend down over the neck, chest, and/or shoulders giving the appearance of a "war shield"). Generally, face markings are just like a solid-colored horse (solid, blaze, strip, star or snip) and body color may be either predominantly dark or white. The mane and tail is usually mixed of two colors. A majority of Tobianos have spots that are smooth-edged and not jagged like most overos, and many have white over their back and/or neck.
On an Overo colored horse, the white will not usually cross the back of the horse between the withers and tail. It is desirable for all four legs to be dark, or at least one. Face markings are usually bald-faced, apron-faced or bonnet-faced. The white color throughout the Overo's body is generally irregular or sometimes 'jagged' instead of forming smooth lines between the colors.
The Tovero color pattern most commonly comes from crossing a Tobiano horse with an Overo colored horse. In most cases, the result will be a mix of the two color patterns. For example: a Tobiano with bald-face or apron-face markings, will most likely be called a "Tovero". Or, some Overos with a large amount of white color in their manes or past the withers are sometimes considered to be a Tovero. However, some overos or Tobianos will appear to be Toveros even when they aren't genetically a Tovero...this is the most confusing color pattern, indeed.
Which ever of the above three classifications a Paint or Pinto fits into, they are further classified by what colours make up their markings. The black and white coat colour is called "Piebald" and 'any other colour' and white is "Skewbald".
My mare "Chaser" (on the left in the pic.) is a registered Tobiano Skewbald Pinto. She may appear to be Tovero but not knowing her lineage I can not prove that she had one Tobiano and one Overo parent.
I hope that helps...
The Paint Association only recognizes the Quarterhorse and Thoroughbred bloodlines. The Pinto Association recognizes all bloodlines except for Appaloosa, Draft and Mules. Therefore, the Paint can be registered in both the Paint Association AND the Pinto Association. The Pinto cannot be registered in the Paint Association. Also, proof of pedigree/lineage is not required to register a horse as a Pinto because it is a colour registry. It is necessary for Paints.
Now, let me explain one thing that people get confused about, the color patterns. Paint horses aren't always colored, some turn out solid but may still carry the genes needed to have colored offspring. Pinto, on the other hand, is ANY breed of horse exhibiting the Tobiano or Overo characteristics. That's why there is such a thing as a "Solid Paint" but not a "Solid Pinto".
Tobiano is a dominant color pattern, and is most common. A Tobiano generally has four white legs, at least below the hocks and knees. The dark color of the pattern is usually covering one or both flanks and the spots are regular and distinct (smooth ovals or round patterns that extend down over the neck, chest, and/or shoulders giving the appearance of a "war shield"). Generally, face markings are just like a solid-colored horse (solid, blaze, strip, star or snip) and body color may be either predominantly dark or white. The mane and tail is usually mixed of two colors. A majority of Tobianos have spots that are smooth-edged and not jagged like most overos, and many have white over their back and/or neck.
On an Overo colored horse, the white will not usually cross the back of the horse between the withers and tail. It is desirable for all four legs to be dark, or at least one. Face markings are usually bald-faced, apron-faced or bonnet-faced. The white color throughout the Overo's body is generally irregular or sometimes 'jagged' instead of forming smooth lines between the colors.
The Tovero color pattern most commonly comes from crossing a Tobiano horse with an Overo colored horse. In most cases, the result will be a mix of the two color patterns. For example: a Tobiano with bald-face or apron-face markings, will most likely be called a "Tovero". Or, some Overos with a large amount of white color in their manes or past the withers are sometimes considered to be a Tovero. However, some overos or Tobianos will appear to be Toveros even when they aren't genetically a Tovero...this is the most confusing color pattern, indeed.
Which ever of the above three classifications a Paint or Pinto fits into, they are further classified by what colours make up their markings. The black and white coat colour is called "Piebald" and 'any other colour' and white is "Skewbald".
My mare "Chaser" (on the left in the pic.) is a registered Tobiano Skewbald Pinto. She may appear to be Tovero but not knowing her lineage I can not prove that she had one Tobiano and one Overo parent.
I hope that helps...
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From what I know is Paints are Quarter Horse type and can be double registererd. Pintos are crosses of other breeds. However you can't always get Colour markings Paint/Pinto when you breed them.
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QH's can't be registered as QH's if the socks come above the knees. I have to laugh when someone says I have a breeding stock Paint...ok, then you just have a QH, right?
Same with a solid Appy.
Same with a solid Appy.
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born2run said:
That's funny. The "rules" are strange in some ways. The way I see it, your horse is a QH that happens to have a white stocking
I have a solid bay Appaloosa. Most people assume that she is a Quarter Horse. She is however, a registered Appaloosa. Appaloosa is a breed registry like Paint, not a colour registry like Pinto.
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ChasingADream said:
True, but the whole reason I was attracted to the Appy to begin with was the color variety. Just out of curiousity does your Appy have any Appy characteristics at all? For the record, I love alll horses...odd colored ones are just slightly more fascinating to me.
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born2run said:True, but the whole reason I was attracted to the Appy to begin with was the color variety. Just out of curiousity does your Appy have any Appy characteristics at all? For the record, I love alll horses...odd colored ones are just slightly more fascinating to me.
I love all horses too but like you I'm more drawn to the ones with more unique or rare coloring. My Appy is a solid bay. She has a little bit of white speckling on her heels and her front right pastern but they're not considered appy markings. Her skin is black all over, no pink. Even around her eyes and muzzle. So no mottling. Her hooves are completely black also. She didn't even get the thin mane and tail that most Appys have. She's unique in her own way though. She's a really reddish kind of chocolate brown bay and she has a dorsal stripe and some zebra striping on the back of her knees and front of her hocks. It's not very noticable but it's there. Her father was buckskin so I'm sure that's where that came from.
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Do you guys ride English, Western or both? Do you show? Does anyone do anything like Dressage or Reining? How about barrel racing?
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country woman said:
I love the Arab in your siggie! Your whole siggie is very nice! Great job with it!
Ps. Where in Canada are you from?
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I ride hunt seat,mainly english and have been out of the western saddle for some time.
paints are usually brown and white large splashes of color by the way.
paints are usually brown and white large splashes of color by the way.
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