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Everlastinglife said:We can agree Hades is not hell. We have sheol, paradise on one side hades on the other. Simply, before judgement there is sheol. This would be for Old Testament folks so to speak. Matthew 16:17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Will not overcome it. And why hades? not hell? Because judgement comes before Heaven awaits God willing. And those in sheol are really there. Revelation 20:11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Isnt Jesus amazing. Glory to God. Great discussion. Good thread.
God Bless.
JesusPower said:When Jesus died according to Luke 23:43 he went to paradise. Where he freed the saints from Abrahams bossom. Until that day Satan had the keys to hell and there was no heaven for the righteous saints. He then according to 1Peter 3:19 preached unto the spirits in prison. This prison is also known as "Tartarus" reference II Peter 2:4 This is the place where the fallen angels who coinhabited with women before Noah were cast down to and will remain until the Great White Throne Judgement. When they will be cast into the lake of fire "Gehenna" I hope this clears it up.
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Natman said:According to my understanding, Jesus did not go into "Geenna" or "Gehena" (Hell- the lake of fire) during the three days between His death and resurection. In the original Greek, it says He was in "Hadas" (Hades) which literally means "the region of the dead". The two terms are certainly different because after the final judgment, Hades will be cast into Hell (Revelation 20:14).
As I understand it, Jesus body lay in the tomb, the "region of the dead" for three days while His spirit was with the Father.
2 Cor 5:6-8
"So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord."
woman.at.the.well said:anyone is confused as to what crypto-Nestorianism is here is some info from wikipedia:
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Nestorianism
As a side note, that is not what the OP was asking. We are not discussing the Catholic belief/non belief of whether or not Jesus' body and spirit were one or separate.
1 Peter 3:18 makes that clear as is quoted here from the NIV Bible -
18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
Please check the OP and continue the discussion
JesusPower said:When Jesus died according to Luke 23:43 he went to paradise. Where he freed the saints from Abrahams bossom. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY . . . WHERE IS THE LATTER PART OF THIS STATEMENT WRITTEN IN THE WORD? Until that day Satan had the keys to hell and there was no heaven for the righteous saints. AND IF YOU COULD, STATE THE SOURCE FOR THIS TOO. He then according to 1Peter 3:19 preached unto the spirits in prison. This prison is also known as "Tartarus" reference II Peter 2:4 This is the place where the fallen angels who coinhabited with women before Noah were cast down to and will remain until the Great White Throne Judgement. When they will be cast into the lake of fire "Gehenna" I hope this clears it up.
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For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
{Matthew 12:40}
woman.at.the.well said:He died on the cross and was gone for three days? Does anyone know where He went? or what happened during those days before He rose on the 3rd day?
If you can, please give biblical references to support your statement. Thank you!
woman.at.the.well said:He died on the cross and was gone for three days? Does anyone know where He went? or what happened during those days before He rose on the 3rd day?
If you can, please give biblical references to support your statement. Thank you!
Sentry said:Yes I know where he went.
They put him in a tomb.
End of story.
oworm said:LK 23:42-43 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. " Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.
It would seem that his body was put in the tomb and his soul went to paradise
Sentry said:Yes I know where he went.
They put him in a tomb.
End of story.
Yes but what about his soul? And why did he tell the thief he would be with him in paradise that very day?depthdeception said:I agree. Until the resurrection, Jesus was dead in the tomb, decaying like every other dead person.
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