Anxiety sufferers cast into hell?

[Phinehas2]

Have you ever heard of reading Scripture in the context of the passage in which it was written — and in context of the time in which it was written

Yes. Why havent you?

 

[Phinehas2]

MichaelD111 is essentially right, the word is fear/lack of faith. the context therefore is not regarding anxiety but fear to stand for the truth or hold to it, lack of faith, coupled in the sentance with disbelief. We have to be careful not to impose modern ideas of fear and love into the Biblical contexts, fear of God is also reverence of God.
Anxiety sufferers need not worry, infact they can be healed, they just need to keep faith and trust in Jesus Christ.
Fear and Anxiety is not the smae thing here

 

[Zecryphon]

There is a reason I chose "Maude" as my signature picture!

And here I thought it was cuz you had the hots for Bea Arthur! LOL

 

[Zecryphon]

MichaelD111 is essentially right, the word is fear/lack of faith. the context therefore is not regarding anxiety but fear to stand for the truth or hold to it, lack of faith, coupled in the sentance with disbelief. We have to be careful not to impose modern ideas of fear and love into the Biblical contexts, fear of God is also reverence of God.
Anxiety sufferers need not worry, infact they can be healed, they just need to keep faith and trust in Jesus Christ.
Fear and Anxiety is not the smae thing here

If fear and anxiety are not the same thing here, as you have correctly demonstrated, why do you think Michael entitled this thread "anxiety sufferers cast into hell?" He limited the scope of this theological question, if it can even be called that, to anxiety sufferers. His whole premise is limited to those with anxiety, it does not include those who lack faith.

Everybody has anxiety. There are two ways to view anxious feelings. Either as something to be feared or as excitement. Being anxious about an event can lead to worry or excitement. It's how the person mentally handles these feelings that determines what they experience as a result of them. I'd also add that in addition to faith in Christ for anxiety people also seek out psychological counseling and if necessary medication as chemical releases in the body to contribute a lot to the problem of anxiety which can lead to Agoraphobia and avoidance behaviors which are not good for anyone.

 

[IamRedeemed]

ROFL!!

And here I thought it was cuz you had the hots for Bea Arthur! LOL

 

[HuntingMan]

This is clearly wrong. Deilos is also the word used to describe the disciples' lack of faith (Mtt. 8:26; Mark 4:40).

just butting in...

It isn't always relevant that a particular word was used in one place and another word somewhere else. Unless you are a scholar of ancient Koine Greek I wouldn't be presenting any arguments that two seemingly different words might have been used.

In the remarriage discussions I find myself in many days, my studies have caused me to happen upon a few different words that are used to mean 'divorce' or 'put away'.

It is no different when we say 'car' versus 'automobile', etc. Just because a word is not exactly the same doesnt mean that the EXACT same intent wasn't meant with the use of a different word.
Context is ALWAYS key over what we think about any single word....the word "gay" is a perfect example given the BROAD range of just two of its uses.

 

[HuntingMan]

Rev 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Whoa, does this mean that anxiety sufferers are wretched and bound for hell?

I dont think a physical or mental AFFLICTION was the intent there at all.

Also, take me and my wife.
The Lord has already tested me and has shown me that there is no reason to fear any man, even if it means death. For ME it would be very sinful for me to cast aside what I know to be truth and cower in fear.
For my wife, however, she has not yet come to the point where she could stand against the same things that I have already. For her to do as Peter did would not be the hell sentence YOU seem to think it would.
Our God is not some callous, cold hearted monster who is just looking for reasons to damn people to hell.

If you had actually looked that an ACTUAL scholar of the Greek, you would have noticed that there is a bit more to this 'fear' than just being afraid.

G1169
δειλός
deilos
di-los'
From δέος deos (dread); timid, that is, (by implication) faithless: - fearful.

Now, you can dismiss Strongs thoughts on the matter as you see fit, but for myself and many others here, WE will accept that this man probably knows a bit more about the intent of the word than you or I do.

And FYI, the SAME word used in Revelation there WAS used towards His disciples...

And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful (deloi), O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
(Mat 8:25-26 KJV)

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful (deloi)? how is it that ye have no faith?
(Mar 4:40 KJV)

But the fearful (delois), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Rev 21:8 KJV)

The first two mean 'timid' while the added 's' in the Revelation passage causes the word to mean 'timid ones'.
Lets not pretend that the word means anything different.
See the context ? Jesus asking about their 'faith' ? I think that proves fairly conclusively that faith IS part of the issue.

I hope we arent saying that Christs own disciples went to hell

 

[HuntingMan]

This is clearly wrong. Deilos is also the word used to describe the disciples' lack of faith (Mtt. 8:26; Mark 4:40).

That is correct.
So if your thoughts were correct, that would meant that His disciples also were going to have their part in the lake of fire, right ?

 

[MichaelD111]

So then you think that believers, Christians who have accepted Jesus into their hearts and follow him, who have been forgiven by and reconciled to God, are going to be thrown into the lake of fire for suffering with anxiety? How does that jive in any way with basically the whole rest of the New Testament?

You have to read and understand the Bible as a complete work, not individual passage by individual passage. God has promised us that if we follow Jesus, we will be saved -- that's all over the NT. Individual sins of fear, and lying, or anything else really, as long as we recognize them as sins and ask for forgiveness and sincerely attempt to turn away from them (even if we fail time and time again) are not going to get us thrown into the Lake of Fire. Our cup may be smaller than someone else's cup, but it will still be overflowing, and we'll still be in heaven.

That was well said. I agree.

 

[sunlover1]

Yes, this is very interesting!
And as a person who struggles
with anxiety, I've 'worried'
about this verse many times.

:o

sunlover

 

[Zecryphon]

Yes, this is very interesting!
And as a person who struggles
with anxiety, I've 'worried'
about this verse many times.

:o

sunlover

Why? You are a Christian. God can not send you to Hell, since you have been reconciled back to Him through Jesus Christ. Anxiety is not enough to undo the will of God or an act of God.

 

[mishmoo]

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mathew 10:28
(underlining by me)

Jesus Himself told us to fear God. So if those who suffered anxiety were cast to hell then certainally any christian who loved and feared God would be cast into the lake of fire also.

I think you've taken the passage Revelations 21:8 out of context.. in all my bibles (NIV, Interlinear and my husbands Jehovah Witness Bible) they use the word cowardly not fearful. And being a coward is completely different than being afraid.

I have anxiety, I am literally afraid of everything in everyday living. But the only thing that stops me from becoming a complete wreck is my love and faith in God.
I love God with all my heart, my soul and my mind. My love for God surpasses all of my fears and I will follow Him where ever he may lead me. And if I was too afraid to follow Him, then yes I would be a coward.

NB, I can only hope and pray that God will give me the strength and courage to follow Him through the darkest of hours that I am yet to face.. I also pray that God will bless you all with the strength and courage to keep your faith so that in your darkest hour you will not lose your way.

May God be with you always.