Antioch

[KeenanParkerII]

Hey Monica, great sources!

While they are completely valid, for every source I found paying primacy to the See of St.Peter there was one questioning it. (Just got back from dropping a book off at the library on this very topic!)

I have absolutely NOOOO wish to introduce any sort of debate here, but from what I gathered the fathers of the Eastern Church felt they were being very kind declaring the primacy of Rome.

There were so many diplomatic relations at the time that letters reinforcing just about every opinion can be found floating about. Under some patriarchs the Pope was revered, and under others he was not even recognized in their diptychs. (Which was especially common at Constantinople.)

If one conclusion can be drawn, it is that the See of St.Peter was granted primacy by the majority of the Orthodoxy most of the time. I'm just fleshing out that it was not quite as cut and dry as one may expect.

Following the above...it was often common practice for the churches which made up the Pentarchy to be referred to by their patriarchal see...the Roman Church, the Antiochian Church etc. The Orthodox, to a large degree still follow this practice. The Eastern rites...are more geographically named / rite names...or named after the founding patriarch (Maronite).

The 28 years that I was rcc I had no problem being referred to as "Roman Catholic"...mainly because I really didn't care what the protestants thought...

So at the end of the day can we just say that Catholics prefer being called Catholics? And attend a Catholic Church?

 

[Tonks]

Some do some don't. I think you'll find on here would like catholic. Most Catholics I met in the pews couldn't tell you the difference.

 

[benedictaoo]

It depends Keenan. I can tell who saying it to act as if it's just the Roman church as opposed to the Catholic Church. For those who innocently say "Roman" to refer to the rite, i do not make a big deal out of it.

I only and just pointed it out to you as a FYI or as a heads up, so you could know that some ppl do exsist out there but somehow it turned into a debate... go figure.

 

[Rhamiel]

So at the end of the day can we just say that Catholics prefer being called Catholics? And attend a Catholic Church?

many do, I do not mind being called a Roman Catholic just because I know that it is the popular term, i call myself a Catholic but I do not get all up in arms about it

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Hey Monica, great sources!

While they are completely valid, for every source I found paying primacy to the See of St.Peter there was one questioning it. (Just got back from dropping a book off at the library on this very topic!)

I have absolutely NOOOO wish to introduce any sort of debate here, but from what I gathered the fathers of the Eastern Church felt they were being very kind declaring the primacy of Rome.

There were so many diplomatic relations at the time that letters reinforcing just about every opinion can be found floating about. Under some patriarchs the Pope was revered, and under others he was not even recognized in their diptychs. (Which was especially common at Constantinople.)

If one conclusion can be drawn, it is that the See of St.Peter was granted primacy by the majority of the Orthodoxy most of the time. I'm just fleshing out that it was not quite as cut and dry as one may expect.



So at the end of the day can we just say that Catholics prefer being called Catholics? And attend a Catholic Church?

I know what you mean I got VERY confused with all the early Church quotes and eventually decided to just trust one thing - what Christ said to Peter, and how He gave him the keys to the kingdom. This is very significant when you link it back to the Old Testament. Dr Scott Hahn on the Papacy | Catholic-Pages.com

in no way do I mean to minimize what the early Church said. By all means, it's useful to look at that even the stuff that contradicts.

I think the reason there's some contradicting quotes, is because there WAS a political struggle with Constantinople wanting to be called the "new Rome" and Rome opposing that etc. But I agree that the See of St Peter was given primacy a lot too.

keep on searching

for the second question, - I'm totally fine with being called Roman Catholic. I'm technically Eastern Catholic lol but I can't attend an Eastern Catholic church (too far... ) so I attend a Roman Catholic parish. I'm oki with the title, although I understand those who are not.

God bless