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The false gospel is full of statements confirming universalism as if it were Yahweh's Plan -
but since it is false in its entirety, origination, and propagation,
those who succumb to it are or may be lost, for now.
Sure.
Agreed.
But what statements?
How do these ideas come about?
One or two verses are taken from scripture and a doctrine is made from them?
I can't think of any other way because if the N.T. is read as an entire thought,,,,there's no way this concept could be gleaned from it.

For instance...John 12:32 could be understood as universalism.
If Jesus is lifted up He will draw ALL MEN to Himself.

Of course this does not mean that ALL MEN will accept the invitation....
John 3:16 sure does cover a lot of ground!
 
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Where did Chavah (Eve) get ideas that led her to sin ?
Ha! Great question.
Since Original Sin had not been committed yet and man did not have the sin nature...HOW did A and E sin??

Well, you might say the evil one.

I agree that he is going about the world today,,,seeking whom he will devour.
I assume you're saying that those that preach these ideas are influenced by the evil one.

I agree.
 
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In God's Word in Ephesians, as well as many other places,
it is revealed that everyone (human, born, to start with) is "influenced" at least, or under the control , of the prince of the power of the air, i.e. the whole society.
In the Epistles, a lot of temptations are revealed/ exposed/ along with (more importantly) how to deal with them. Yahweh and Jesus and the messengers sent by Him all revealed the solution always , or almost always, whenever they revealed/exposed/ called out a sin or other problem of unbelief.
 
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St. Justinian is a great defender of Orthodoxy for a reason. If you call him the devil's minion and reject the deposit of faith given by the defenders of Orthodoxy, then you are heterodox and, indeed, heretical.

Justinian? You mean the Big Cheese responsible for re-introducing Roman law throughout the empire? Okay, he built a few nice churches. Fruits.


The only allegedly Origenist universalist heresy to be condemned by an Orthodox Ecumenical Council was a 'souls only' restoration. Otherwise, universalism proper was never condemned.

The universalist tradition begins in Genesis 18:18 with the promise that all nations of the earth will be blessed, and thenceforth saturates scripture from go to whoa. Looky here, just a selection of verses on point:
Youth With A Mission – “All Nations” Verse List

To complete the story, we only need to look to Rev 21:24-26, where the prophecy is fulfilled in the Eschaton, where God makes ALL things new - the kings of the earth and nations are purified and inherit the life of Christ.

'And the leaves of the tree of life were for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS' (Rev 22:2).

It's the 'good book', with 'glad tidings of great joy for all mankind'. Idk what's good about an eternal mass human bbq. Maybe you can enlighten us?

FOR I, YAHUSHUA, THE SALVATION OF GOD, AM THE ALEPH AND THE TAV. Salvation is the omega plan, and I have a little faith. May I commend it to you.
 
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Jeff, congratulations for making the 'hostile anti-universalist of the month' again. This episode brought to us by the number '6' and the expressions 'doctrine of demons' and 'damnable heresy'.

God will be all in all, Jesus does save the world Jeff. Try to warm to the idea of all things made new in Christ. It's why he suffered and died for us, after all.
 
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'doctrine of demons' and 'damnable heresy'
Did you just now realize these titles of universalism accurate?
Did God reveal this to you through Jesus and through His Written Word ?
If so, then there is hope for everyone !
 
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Only Yahweh can open the mind or spirit to comprehend the truth.
No flesh can grasp this.

Very droll Jeff. Perhaps you can reveal the mysteries of how condign justice (God hates an unequal measure), is achieved by infinite punishment for finite offences?

A concrete example: the 16 year-old rape victim who suicides rejecting Jesus for not saving her from her ordeal. Hellbound?
 
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As if UR-ites did not use pejorative epithets for those who believe in "eternal punishment." I.e. "damnationsists."
 
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A quote from Scripture is droll?
How quaint !


No substantive answers to my questions Jeff? Do we see a pattern developing here?

Like the pattern that underpins scripture of God giving, man falling away, destruction, and finally RESTORATION?
 
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Dear Daniel: Our God IS the Saviour of ALL mankind, He is NOT a potential Saviour, He is Saviour.

But wait, there is more > > >

"God is the Saviour of all mankind especially/malista those who trust in Him/ who believe."

Please note:

God is not the Saviour of only those who believe, He is the Saviour of especially those who believe. He is the Saviour of the radical all of pas & the super radical ta pante of everthing & everyone!
 
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A concrete example
Okay, just in case you are seeking what to do for or about someone you loved who killed themselves,
the answer , the only answer, is found in Jesus, in line with Yahweh's Word, always.
In mankind/ society, there is no answer.
In all the false teachings/ in the accursed false gospels, there is no answer.
 
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As if UR-ites did not use pejorative epithets for those who believe in "eternal punishment." I.e. "damnationsists."

Not so, der Alter. The categories are merely descriptive:

Damnationism because they believe in damnation.
Annihilationism because ...
Restorationism because ...

You'll get the hang of it.
 
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Do we see a pattern developing here?
Of universaleists deceived and always rejecting the truth of God's Word? That pattern ?

even if for "heart" reasons , seemingly caring or loving.. the errors won't help anyone.
 
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And the correct answer is...?
 
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And the correct answer is...?
Only Yahweh can open the mind or spirit to comprehend the truth.
No flesh can grasp this.


This remains true also - since in this case it seems the Scripture has been terribly mis-reprented to you, yet you accepted it, (even if for seemingly good reasons).

And the true Scripture, motives, reasons, purposes, when presented to you, you reject.

How then can anyone help ? What hope is there for anyone who rejects God's Word, even if for seemingly "heartfelt" reasons (like not being able to accept the eternal loss of a daughter, son, father, mother, or other loved one ) ....
 
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Is the spirit of obfuscation from God, Jeff? Simple question seems to be unanswerable. Not much point having faith if you can't have faith in the restoration of a poor lost victim who died without knowing Jesus, now is there?
 
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Dear Daniel: The angels who fell are in aidios chains of the Lord. I will leave them in their aidios/eternal chains of the One who does all things to His desired end.

A sheep is lost UNTIL the Chief Shepherd finds Him. He loses nothing, not sheep, not goats, not broken children of Adam one.

Nothing!
 
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