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I find it quite disturbing that you're trying to paint the rapist as the victim here. Why exactly can't you see that a rapist is a violent criminal, and isn't a victim in any way?
 
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And no I am not blaming women, but women today dress extremely immodest and dangle their assests in skimpy clothes, which in turns bombards the potential rapist with sexual urges and thoughts. what do you expect when you do that?
I was with you until this part. [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] you.
 
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I find it quite disturbing that you're trying to paint the rapist as the victim here. Why exactly can't you see that a rapist is a violent criminal, and isn't a victim in any way?


You have a way with putting words in peoples mouths. WHen did I say a rapist is not a violent criminal? If you don't realize that there are alot of exterior factors that contribute to rape then you are not living in reality. People aren't born rapists. Its not like a child one day just says "Gee, I think will be a rapist today". THe media bombards people with sexual images, magazines, abortion/BC and pornography. The media sexualizes women and turns them into nothing but an object. It teaches people to treat women like objects. It teaches women that sex sells and that they should dress skimpy and immodest, to go out and get drunk and have one night stands. Even public schools since they teach evolution create a mindset in children that we are nothing but animals that evolved from monkeys instead of special beings from God. It devalues the life and dignity of people. Many rapists were victims of rape or sexual abuse themselves. At the end of all of this the rapist has such a low view on human life and dignity that he is a bomb just waiting to explode. Why? because he was not taught good christian morals and the value of human life and personhood, probably grew up in a broken home with abuse, with zero care from the parents. Maybe if people started concentrating on how we should raise our children(bringing them up with good moral christian values) and kept them from being poisoned from the world less rape would happen
 
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And here, yet again, you try to blame rapists' actions on others. Can't you realize that a rapist's main problem is their mind? Rapists are severely mentally disturbed. Therefore, they've got no one but themselves to blame for the way they think and act.
 
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and how do you think they become that way? What about the parents who are raising up a child to be a rapist? Im not blaming others. Its fully in the persons free will to do what he is going to do. In no way am I reducing the culpability of the rapist, but there are many exterior things that feeds the fire in a criminal .The U.S. FBI Index of Crime reported a 418 percent increase in "forcible rape" from 1960 to 1999
 
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So how do you explain rapists who attack fully-clothed women who aren't showing off their bodies at all, then, if your theory of "the woman is partly to blame for being raped" is true?
 
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Knowing a CO is irrelevent. How is it known what sex acts they do once out of prison? Your cousin follow them around? Do you? Or is this simply wild guessing? The alcohol reference is exactly what rapists use as a defense. Got news for ya, drunk people don't eat it fresh steamy piles of doggy do-do. In vino veritas.


It's true many rapists were victims themselves at one point and that is good to highlight for trying to understanding rape, but the problem is trying to maintain sex at the center of rape. It's also valid to point out our culture promotes violence towards women and that sexual objectification contributes to sexual violence. But, rape is not about sex so claiming how women dress contributes to rape is rather absurd. If a gay guy likes the way you look and dress and then rapes you, would you be on his side of the courtroom during the trial telling the judge to go easy because he couldn't really help himself. Iow, take the justifications presented here for women being raped and imagine yourself being a victim then tell us, honestly, if you believe those justifications still have merit.

The blaming the victim and making the rapist the victim wouldn't be so bad if it was simply message board rhetoric, but this is the mainstream in criminal justice. Here are a couple of examples:

Girl provoked pedophile - judge
June 26, 2007 12:00am • 10-year-old girl was raped and assaulted• Judge says victim 'dressed provocatively'• Pedophile will be free in just four months
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21969117-663,00.html

For those blaming the victim...imagine that was your sister or daughter. Would you really tell her she is partially to blame?


A British rape victim has had a court decision overturned that cut the money she was awarded by a quarter because she was drunk at the time of the incident, The Daily Mail reported Tuesday
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402111,00.html

Notice how they called it an "incident." Rape is not an "incident." It's an effing crime!!!!
 
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So how do you explain rapists who attack fully-clothed women who aren't showing off their bodies at all, then, if your theory of "the woman is partly to blame for being raped" is true?


uhh that is not my theory, again your putting words in my mouth. Im talking about the general bombardment of sex in society contributes to rape. The raptist is fully culpable for what he does. But with the sexualization of women in pornography, immodest clothing, and the media does nothing but feed the fire. Its throwing salt on an already open wound.
 
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Sex isn't a bad thing, though. It's perfectly natural. So why do you seem to think that it should be hidden away? And why do you seem to think that such a natural thing as sex could somehow spur a rapist on?
 
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Everything said about sexualization is true. The problem is equating sexualization with rape. They are NOT in the same arena. Horny people do with a "yes." Rapists just do it.

The last line of the post shows the backwards approach and reveals a serious problem. Instead of focusing on understanding rape to stop it we are told to focus on how we raise our children. Iam beginning to wonder if rape is being exploited to promote some form of rigid religious ideology. The mindset that says "Stay in Sunday school and everything will be cool."

Let me make a rough analogy to the recent terrorist attack at a UU church in Tenn. I've argued extensively the terrorist was at least influenced to some degree by hate preachers like Oreilly, Hannity, Savage, and Coulter. He is responsible for his own terrorism, but in no way do I make him the victim like people are trying to make rapists the victims. One can argue for cultural influences about rape but you can't blame culture and you certainly can't make the rapist the victim.
 
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Sex isn't a bad thing, though. It's perfectly natural. So why do you seem to think that it should be hidden away? And why do you seem to think that such a natural thing as sex could somehow spur a rapist on?


because it bombards the rapist with more and more sexual images in his mind causing more lust and objectification of other people, which in turn could increase his likelihood that he would act out on it in real life.
 
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because it bombards the rapist with more and more sexual images in his mind causing more lust and objectification of other people, which in turn could increase his likelihood that he would act out on it in real life.
So do you think we should make guns a taboo subject as well, then, since the mere mention of guns can cause a person to want to shoot others? If not, then why do you think the same thing about sex?
 
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because it bombards the rapist with more and more sexual images in his mind causing more lust and objectification of other people, which in turn could increase his likelihood that he would act out on it in real life.

Like I said, I partially agree and can appreciate the position. The main problem is putting "sex" at the center of rape. Also, by equating sexual images as a rape contributor it's trying to equate sex with rape. There are millions of men and women who view sexually graphic images yet none of them commit rape. The causation theory being presented lacks sufficient criteria while simultaneously forcing illegitimate criteria to reach a conclusion that is fundamentally off base. In order to show causation the equation needs to have and distinguish between sufficient, insufficient, necessary, and unnecessary components.

Let's try a mirror theory. If sexually arousing imagery contributes to rape, and not merely sexual desire, then it must be okay for a woman to shoot an ugly guy because he is killing her sexual drive. Since we need women for pro-creation we should permit them to remove any obstacles impeding pro-creation. Therefore, it isn't her fault she shot an ugly guy. It's the guy's fault for poor attire, hygiene, and physical characteristics. Now, before this gets dismissed as pure silliness, take that conviction and understand that is how we are seeing the theory that sexual imagery increases a sexual drive and rape is a consequence.
 
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So do you think we should make guns a taboo subject as well, then, since the mere mention of guns can cause a person to want to shoot others? If not, then why do you think the same thing about sex?

We should also outlaw s'mores cooking, campfires, bonfires, and homes with fireplaces because those things make pyromaniacs want to commit arson. To him, those are sexual images and those "Firewood For Sale" stands on the side of the road are his pornography.

Btw, HB, what part of MA? (Yes iam too lazy to look on your profile!)
 
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I'm in Middlesex County (I don't want to be more specific than that because this is an open forum, sorry). Why, do you live in MA, too?
 
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I'm in Middlesex County (I don't want to be more specific than that because this is an open forum, sorry). Why, do you live in MA, too?

Norfolk county, about a 20 minute redline ride to downtown crossing. (It's not really a secret where I live.)
 
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Norfolk county, about a 20 minute redline ride to downtown crossing. (It's not really a secret where I live.)
Oh, wow. I live right near one of the Commuter Rail stops, too, so I could easily get on the Red Line (from North Station) and stalk (*ahem* visit) you. LOL.
 
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I'm in Middlesex County (I don't want to be more specific than that because this is an open forum, sorry). Why, do you live in MA, too?

Norfolk county, about a 20 minute redline ride to downtown crossing. (It's not really a secret where I live.)

I am in Essex County...oh wait that is New Jersey! but my brother is in Middlesex County
 
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Oh, wow. I live right near one of the Commuter Rail stops, too, so I could easily get on the Red Line (from North Station) and stalk (*ahem* visit) you. LOL.

I usually have to pay women a LOT of money to do that so if it's being offered for free...wow! Thank you!! LOL!!!
 
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