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Antarctic Ice Cap growing rapidly...this explains why ocean levels not up!?

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Exactly as shown in Mr. Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth an astonishing amount of melting is occurring in the Arctic ice as well as in all glaciers worldwide.

The Greenland ice sheet had been losing between 150 and 200 cubic kilometers a year in 2002, and now is losing almost 300 cubic kilometers a year. (Dr. James Hansen)
climateprogress.org/2009/12/02/climategate-newsweek-nasa-james-hansen-deniers-climate-science/

So why haven't sea levels rose significantly?

Because the super cold central region of Antarctica is acting like a black hole in that as soon as a cloud goes over it, the ice is three kilometers or more in altitude already in many areas, the clouds drop their moisture as snow or freezing rain. Once ice is added to the central region of Antarctica it can be stable for 650,000 years or more barring even further rise in global temperatures.



Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).


My conclusion is that we should consider an alternative method of combatting climate change.There is a biologist in New Mexico named Carl Cantrell who advocates that we can directly combat climate change by initiating a massive program of desalination of ocean water and pumping it to the ridges in North Africa so that we turn more of the Sahara Desert green.

His theory makes a lot of sense.

1. China has had great success at turning deserts areas green by planting and irrigating some species of bamboo. Bamboo often grows a root system for five years before beginning to shoot up above ground at an astounding rate. Obviously lots of vegetation or trees or bamboo in North Africa will create a significant CARBON SINK.

2. Biologist Cantrell has stated that the bulk of the heat going into the atmosphere is coming from the world's top five deserts. He stated that satellite images in infrared show that the deserts radiate far more heat into the atmosphere than our cities do. His idea is that by turning deserts green we would directly reduce the amount of heat going into the atmosphere. I believe that he is correct in this assertion.

3. It is theoreticallly possible to pump salt water to a large aquaculture facility on or near a ridge in North Africa, produce fish through aquaculture, then desalinate the salt water by solar energy. Every cubic meter of H2O added to the water table of North Africa or the Middle East will NOT be ON TOP OF Holland, or the State of Florida or the city of New Orleans in the event that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet were to collapse!

4. There are one billion hungry people on this earth. If monetary policy is altered so that they could purchase fish or food grown in the world's desert areas, then if a billion hungry people were to purchase a thousand dollars worth of groceries, this would mean that ONE TRILLION dollars had just been directed into combating climate change!
 
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Wikipedia has been one of the biggest propaganda tools for the global warming agenda. One of the contributor's editing of comments on this subject numbered in the thousands. It became so blatant that wikipedia banned him.

Wikipedia Topic-Bans Global Warming Activist William Connolley, aka ‘Stoat’ « NCTimes.com Blogs

http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Story-William_Connolley_Slapped_Down/print
 
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2. Biologist Cantrell has stated that the bulk of the heat going into the atmosphere is coming from the world's top five deserts. He stated that satellite images in infrared show that the deserts radiate far more heat into the atmosphere than our cities do. His idea is that by turning deserts green we would directly reduce the amount of heat going into the atmosphere. I believe that he is correct in this assertion.

I thought desert regions acted like a mirror, reflecting heat energy from the sun back into space, thus cooling the earth? Isn't the problem supposed to be too much CO2 in the atmosphere, trapping some of that heat energy, thus warming the Earth? It would seem to me that the simpler and far less costly solution would be to attempt a reduction in CO2 levels.
 
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... Isn't the problem supposed to be too much CO2 in the atmosphere, trapping some of that heat energy, thus warming the Earth? It would seem to me that the simpler and far less costly solution would be to attempt a reduction in CO2 levels.

"The notion that complex climate “catastrophes” are simply a matter of the response...to a single forcing, CO2 (or solar forcing for that matter), represents a gigantic step backward in the science of climate. Many disasters associated with warming are simply normal occurrences whose existence is falsely claimed to be evidence of warming. And all these examples involve phenomena that are dependent on many factors."--Richard Lindzen, MIT

“One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things [programs to reduce CO2] will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a nobrainer.”-- Richard Lindzen, Alfed P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT; served on UN IPCC
 
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...My conclusion is that we should consider an alternative method of combatting climate change....

"Our ignorance about the climate system is enormous... This is an extremely complex system, and thinking we can control it is hubris." [THIS is the most important fact of the whole issue] -- Dr. John R. Christy, a UN IPCC lead author; Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama-Huntsville

[Just a couple notes,-- Dr. Christy is an outstanding climate scientist; he is also a dedicated Christian.
--"hubris" is one of the seven deadly sins]
 
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Wikipedia has been one of the biggest propaganda tools for the global warming agenda. One of the contributor's editing of comments on this subject numbered in the thousands. It became so blatant that wikipedia banned him.

Wikipedia Topic-Bans Global Warming Activist William Connolley, aka ‘Stoat’ « NCTimes.com Blogs

The Kick Them All Out Project: Global Warming Propagandist William Connolley Slapped Down By Wikipedia
Wikipedia has been a great vehicle for getting an understanding of global warming as well. Wikipedia is not perfect and using them as a primary source (for myself) is always done with trepidation. BUT, when facts are cited with good sources, why would there be a problem?

Our ignorance about the climate system is enormous... This is an extremely complex system, and thinking we can control it is hubris." [THIS is the most important fact of the whole issue] -- Dr. John R. Christy, a UN IPCC lead author; Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System
That is a strawman. NOBODY is sayign we, as humans need to control the climate. We need to limit our impact upon the climate. I don't know if Dr. Cristy thinks that the billions of tonnes of CO2 that we have put into the atmosphere that will be sticking around for 1000 years or so have an impact or not, but this issue is NOT about "control"; at least, not yet.

As I read Dr. Lindzen, I really get this picture in my head of nero watching rome burn. Do I think we are headed for climate catastrophe on the scale that Hansen suggests, no. Do I think the earth is continuing on unabated despite all the garbage humans have put into the biosphere, seems ludicrous to think that IMHO. It's also easy isn't it.

“One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things [programs to reduce CO2] will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a nobrainer.”-- Richard Lindzen, Alfed P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT; served on UN IPCC
How does he know that? Let me tell you: Because he has faith in climate models that support his opinion.
And, of course, there is only half the story there.
The reason why the impact is already virtually assured, is because of the massive amounts of CO2 already dumped in the atmosphere. A full halt on co2 production would have a smaller impact but it would have more impact than no change. So then, is he indirectly suggesting that CO2 already is having a big impact?

Arctic polar ice is floating ice and, a la Archimedes Principle, does not raise sea level when it melts [except for an insignificant amount due to the difference in density between fresh water ice and sea/salt water].
The OP was talking about ice breaking off of Greenland.
 
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"Our ignorance about the climate system is enormous... This is an extremely complex system, and thinking we can control it is hubris." [THIS is the most important fact of the whole issue] -- Dr. John R. Christy, a UN IPCC lead author; Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama-Huntsville

[Just a couple notes,-- Dr. Christy is an outstanding climate scientist; he is also a dedicated Christian.
--"hubris" is one of the seven deadly sins]

I just ran into verification for some of this data:

Gershon Gale:
At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!

Expanded Discussion of the HAB Theory
 
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