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Another thread on predestination (Eph 1)

Is predestination done through God's foreknowledge?

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Yahkov

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Makes you wonder how Jesus knew Peter would deny Him 3 times. Lucky guess, huh? Also makes you wonder how Jesus knew Judas would betray Him. Jesus must have been full of lucky guesses according to your view. Not to mention the numerous prophecies that were said and fulfilled.

I am starting to think you are just making things up as the conversation progresses. Your "very few people know" view on time, God being an 8th or 9th dimensional being, and now this. For that, I really don't think there's much more to discuss. I'd like to end my discussion with you here.

To the OP, my first post is still good if you'd look into it.

"For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." - Romans 8:29

Yes, foreknowledge is a part of predestination. As well as love and God's purpose.
 
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Joh_5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

Again you are not reading what I said. I was just talking about "before the foundations of the world".
Once Time was created of course God can see from the beginning of creation until the end of creation which is Rev 22. Jesus said I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. The prophets couldn't prophecy unless God knew the events coming up. I am not that stupid.

Before the foundations of the world, time didn't exist therefore God could not know what would happen before He created time. After He created time then He does. After the new heavens and new Earth and New Jerusalem is created then Earth time will end and we all go into God time which we call eternity. Then a new chapter and new adventures begin.
 
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Good Day, Steven Beck

Time to have a real look at the exegetical realities of this verse in it's context. The you, any, and every one are pronouns to which nouns to they refer? Lets play follow the pronouns.. The proper exegesis of Peter it it's own context and looking at the grammatical construction of the written text.



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Good Day, Steven Beck

Time to have a real look at the exegetical realities of this verse in it's context. The you, any, and every one are pronouns to which nouns to they refer? Lets play follow the pronouns..



Enjoy!

Bill

There are new rules to CF. You need to add an explaining discription to a video (unless it's music).
 
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There are new rules to CF. You need to add an explaining discription to a video (unless it's music).


Thanks Zoidar! did not know that and I have do so... " The proper exegesis of Peter it it's own context and looking at the grammatical construction of the written text.
 
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Good Day, Zoidar

I would submit the question that is being asked is not "how" the mechanics, but why.

Would you agree?

In Him,

Bill
 
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So you want God to take all responsibility for your salvation and you none. Sorry but that is not how it works. At the White Throne judgement seat, God will put all responsibility on man.

Indeed Salvation is of the Lord from start to finish.. Jonah 2:9. The White Throne Judgement is for the non- believer. I believe because God made it so by his mercy and grace though Adoption in accordance with his good will, and granted to me for sake of his son Christ Jesus and not mine.

Jn 6 This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

Php 1 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake


In Him,
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Good Day, Steven

I am with Surgeon on this question...


I believe the doctrine of election, because I am quite certain that, if God had not chosen me, I should never have chosen Him; and I am sure He chose me before I was born, or else He never would have chosen me afterwards; and He must have elected me for reasons unknown to me, for I never could find in myself why He should have looked upon me with special love. So I am forced to accept that great Biblical doctrine. Spurgeon’s Autobiography, 51


In Him,

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I agree that man is naturally inclined towards evil. But how can you know man plays no part in repentance, that it's only God's doing?


Good day, Zoidar

I know I posted this for you before, do you believe that repentance is granted by God?

For the explicit purpose of leading them to the Knowledge of truth?

2 Ti 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.


In Him,

Bill
 
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Good Day, Steven

Very focused here to you statement " Verse 5 - The Father also agreed to adopt us as Sons."

What version are you using and where in the text is the proposition to the Father to agree to, and who makes such proposition to the Father.

I would like to see the text from scripture and the grammar of the proposition made to the father.

Also can you explain your view of adoption?

In Him,

Bill
 
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I don't know if granted is the right word to use. At least we wouldn't repent unless God draw us.
 
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I believe both how and why is important.

Good Day, Zoidar

How is it that God chose the nation of Israel, and how did he (not) choose the nations.

Lets see if there is some consistent pattern..

In Him,

Bill
 
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I don't know if granted is the right word to use. At least we wouldn't repent unless God draw us.


Good day, Zoidar

Just checked to 6 versions I have on my system..

1. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading
Or
2. God perhaps will/may give them repentance

Those are the only two options, never the less the meaning of the text is the same..

Do you believe that repentance is granted, or given by God?

For the explicit purpose of leading them to the Knowledge of truth?

In Him,

Bill
 
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Good Day, Zoidar

How is it that God chose the nation of Israel, and how did he (not) choose the nations.

Lets see if there is some consistent pattern..

In Him,

Bill

Through Abraham? Why did God choose Abraham? A good thing to keep in mind is that not all Israelites were saved and there were gentiles at that time that were.
 
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Then we have the same questions. Why and how does God give/grant someone repentance?
 
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Through Abraham? Why did God choose Abraham? A good thing to keep in mind is that not all Israelites were saved and there were gentiles at that time that were.

Good Day, Zoidar

Abraham was the instrumental means, but that does not answer the how.
Remember God called him from Ur, that is how he did it.

And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.


Abraham was a sinful heathen (gentile) justified by Faith.

Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘From ancient times your fathers lived beyond the 1River, namely, aTerah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, and they served other gods.

He did so (why) because it for-filled His purpose ( which can not fail) also it pleasured Him to do so in accordance with his good will.


OC had believers and non-believers, where has the NC only has Born aging believers it is a way better promise.

In Him,

Bill
 
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Then we have the same questions. Why and how does God give/grant someone repentance?

Good Day, Zoidar

I do not have those questions... you may

Why- Because he can will it, He can will His mercy when ever he chooses to do so, and owns no explanation for his choosing to do or not so.

How- He by His choice of will and infinite power to do Grants (verb) it.

For what purpose- leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

How and why does man repent because of God's will and purposes. No repentance granted (perhaps) , no one repents.

2 Ti 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

In Him,

Bill
 
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