Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

[dlamberth]

Ancient beliefs like, say, Genesis?

Not only Genesis, but all of the ancient creation stores. Google "various creation stores". Quite a few pop up. But to the question asked, being a Christian Forum...Yes, in this case, Genesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

Werf, I'd change your Post 584, if I were you.

That's a BIG no-no.

 

[Platte]

Someone explain this please:

The use of various radioisotopes allows the dating of biological and geological samples with a high degree of accuracy. However, radioisotope dating may not work so well in the future. Anything that dies after the 1940s, when Nuclear bombs, nuclear reactors and open-air nuclear tests started changing things, will be harder to date precisely.

 

[driewerf]

Werf, I'd change your Post 584, if I were you.

That's a BIG no-no.

Indeed. Something went wrong with the quote function.
Thanks for pointing out.

 

[Hammster]

Not only Genesis, but all of the ancient creation stores. Google "various creation stores". Quite a few pop up. But to the question asked, being a Christian Forum...Yes, in this case, Genesis.

In Genesis 3:1, the serpent asked the question “did God really say?” That trick still works, apparently.

 

[driewerf]

What God says he did trumps what it looks like He did.

Do I understand you well that when we see scratched rocks from previous ice ages, we have to tell ourselves that these scratches aren’t there?
Do I understand you well that when we see the neutron star from a previous supernova, he have to tell ourselves that that neutron star isn’t real?
Do I understand you well that when we observe magnetic reversals in the ocean floor millions of years old, we have to tell ourselves that these reversals aren’t there?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do I understand you well that when we see scratched rocks from previous ice ages, we have to tell ourselves that these scratches aren’t there?
Do I understand you well that when we see the neutron star from a previous supernova, he have to tell ourselves that that neutron star isn’t real?
Do I understand you well that when we observe magnetic reversals in the ocean floor millions of years old, we have to tell ourselves that these reversals aren’t there?

What you see (the hardware), and what you write on paper (the software) are not the same as what God said He did.

 

[Hammster]

Do I understand you well that when we see scratched rocks from previous ice ages, we have to tell ourselves that these scratches aren’t there?
Do I understand you well that when we see the neutron star from a previous supernova, he have to tell ourselves that that neutron star isn’t real?
Do I understand you well that when we observe magnetic reversals in the ocean floor millions of years old, we have to tell ourselves that these reversals aren’t there?

Nothing millions of years old has ever been observed.

 

[driewerf]

Nothing millions of years old has ever been observed.

Oh yes. Plenty of things.

 

[Hammster]

Oh yes. Plenty of things.

Oh no, not a single thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh yes. Plenty of things.

Diamonds weren't created ex materia in an instant, were they?

They take forever and a day to form, don't they?

Else God put them there to deceive us, right?

 

[dlamberth]

What you see (the hardware), and what you write on paper (the software) are not the same as what God said He did.

The hardware (geology of the Earth) can be and is reversed engineered for us to plainly examine how and when it was put together. The results of which tells a very different story than the Genesis Creation story. That story can not be reversed engineered because there's no supporting hardware that supports it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Someone explain this please:

The use of various radioisotopes allows the dating of biological and geological samples with a high degree of accuracy. However, radioisotope dating may not work so well in the future. Anything that dies after the 1940s, when Nuclear bombs, nuclear reactors and open-air nuclear tests started changing things, will be harder to date precisely.

Atomic tests (not reactors) do affect C-14 dating, but not other radiometric dating techniques. (This is because C-14 is made in the atmosphere by irradiation.)

The error bars (which are part of *any* measurement*) limit the accuracy of the age for things that are that young regardless of the nuclear weapons tests.

C-14 dating uses calibration to translate measured dates into actual dates to compensate for known variations in the natural (and artificial) C-14 abundance in the atmosphere. The actual C-14 abundances in the atmosphere during recent years is well known and will provide a good baseline for future C-14 dating measurements.

 

[AV1611VET]

The hardware (geology of the Earth) can be and is reversed engineered for us to plainly examine how and when it was put together.

The standards used to reverse engineer something though, is predicated on deep time and preconceived starting points.

Note how I handled Thaumaturgy's argument here: Post 69

 

[dlamberth]

The standards used to reverse engineer something though, is predicated on deep time and preconceived starting points.

Note how I handled Thaumaturgy's argument here: Post 69

So basically there's a denial of what's staring at us right in front of our eyes.

 

[AV1611VET]

So basically there's a denial of what's staring at us right in front of our eyes.

What is "staring at you right in front of your eyes" is what has been written down on paper.

As I pointed out with the mountains of Tibet, you don't know where those mountains originated.

You just know where they are now.

 

[driewerf]

Diamonds weren't created ex materia in an instant, were they?

Indeed.

They take forever and a day to form, don't they?

The natural ones, indeed. We can make diamonds industrially now, much faster.

Else God put them there to deceive us, right?

In reality. No.
But it is a logical inconsistency of your theology. One you can't make go away.

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed.

The natural ones, indeed. We can make diamonds industrially now, much faster.


In reality. No.
But it is a logical inconsistency of your theology. One you can't make go away.

How about oil?

Same questions.

1. Oil wasn't created ex materia in an instant, was it?

2. Oil takes forever and a day to form, doesn't it?

3. Else God put it there to deceive us, right?

 

[driewerf]

How about oil?

Same questions.

1. Oil wasn't created ex materia in an instant, was it?

2. Oil takes forever and a day to form, doesn't it?

3. Else God put it there to deceive us, right?

Same questions, same answer, except that there we can't make artificial oil (as far as I know).

 

[dlamberth]

What is "staring at you right in front of your eyes" is what has been written down on paper.

As I pointed out with the mountains of Tibet, you don't know where those mountains originated.

You just know where they are now.

I'm pretty sure you know the geological movement of plate tectonics that built up the Tibetan mountains.