Another poor response to ERV evidence for common ancestry by a creationist.

[AV1611VET]

Wrong, a day is earth's rotation period relative to the sun.

Not necessarily:

A mean sidereal day is about 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.091 seconds (23.93447 hours or 0.99726957 mean solar days), the time it takes the Earth to make one rotation relative to the vernal equinox.

SOURCE

 

[CabVet]

Not necessarily:

SOURCE

From your own quoted definition: relative to the vernal equinox; the vernal equinox corresponds to the center of the Sun crossing the celestial equator. In other words, no Sun, no vernal equinox, no day.

 

[cupid dave]

Not necessarily:

SOURCE

Sidereal Time is different from Solar Time.

Sidereal Time is dependent upon the Stars, as mentioned in Gen 1:14.

These are two different clocks.
The Solar Clock depends upon the Sun which was made authority over Earth Time.
The Stars were made authority over the Sidereal Clock

 

[cupid dave]

You don't need the sun:

Revelation 21:23a And the city had no need of the sun,.

Yes, that was for the 1000 years of Universal Christianity when the New Jerusalem was the Succoh or Booth werein all the Roman Empire lived daily.

That was day and night that they resided in this New Jerusalem whether there was a sun or not!!!

 

[AV1611VET]

From your own quoted definition: relative to the vernal equinox; the vernal equinox corresponds to the center of the Sun crossing the celestial equator. In other words, no Sun, no vernal equinox, no day.

Please feel free to show me the sun and/or stars in existence during the first day of creation.

Since God called it a "day" -- and did so in Writing -- I too shall call it a day.

(No pun intended. )

 

[CabVet]

Please feel free to show me the sun and/or stars in existence during the first day of creation.

Since God called it a "day" -- and did so in Writing -- I too shall call it a day.

(No pun intended. )

Haha, please feel free to show me that the God you believe in (as opposed to the hundreds of others out there) created the universe in this so called first "day".

 

[AV1611VET]

Haha, please feel free to show me that the God you believe in (as opposed to the hundreds of others out there) created the universe in this so called first "day".

Haha, He didn't.

He only created one object with mass: the earth.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Notice He created the continuum on the first day: time, space and mass?

He took five more days and populated the universe.

 

[Greg1234]

Haha, please feel free to show me that the God you believe in (as opposed to the hundreds of others out there)

One under different names. Apples with apples also.

 

[CabVet]

Haha, He didn't.

He only created one object with mass: the earth.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Notice He created the continuum on the first day: time, space and mass?

He took five more days and populated the universe.

Who created the other planets then? And just saying "in the beginning" doesn't mean that he created time. It just means that he created heaven and earth in the beginning.

 

[CabVet]

One under different names. Apples with apples also.

Yes, but which one is the right one?

 

[Greg1234]

Yes, but which one is the right one?

You can pick any name you want.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who created the other planets then?

God?

And just saying "in the beginning" doesn't mean that he created time.

Well, it certainly doesn't mean He didn't; and if I'm going to err, I'll err on the side of basic doctrine.

It just means that he created heaven and earth in the beginning.

I'm not going to argue the point; you think what you want, and I'll think what I want.

Are we cool with "day" now?

 

[CabVet]

God?

Well, it certainly doesn't mean He didn't; and if I'm going to err, I'll err on the side of basic doctrine.

I'm not going to argue the point; you think what you want, and I'll think what I want.

Are we cool with "day" now?

Yep, totally cool. As I said many times, your attitude of "God did it" and "I believe because it is in the Bible" is much more consistent than people that come here and try to twist the Bible to fit science (and vice-versa). To me, that is the very definition of faith (believing the unbelievable), and when you search for rational explanations for your faith all you do is show that your faith is not strong enough.

 

[CabVet]

You can pick any name you want.

Haha, how about Allah?

 

[Greg1234]

Haha, how about Allah?

Np. blue or azul?

 

[CabVet]

Np. blue or azul?

So you don't think everyone that follows Allah is going to spend their afterlife burning in hell? I can't quite say that I met a Christian in this forum that had this view yet. Please, go on...

 

[AV1611VET]

As I said many times, your attitude of "God did it" and "I believe because it is in the Bible" is much more consistent than people that come here and try to twist the Bible to fit science (and vice-versa).

I've asked people this before -- I don't remember asking you, so I'll ask it again.

Listen very carefully to the words to this children's song:
Jesus Loves Me This I Know - YouTube

Notice how many times, "For the Bible tells me so" is in that song?

Here's my question:

Now that we're grown-up, what's changed that we no longer believe it and can sing it with the same conviction and zeal as when we sung it back then?

[Disclaimer: I do not agree with the last verse of that song, and have never sung it before.]

 

[cupid dave]

Haha, please feel free to show me that the God you believe in (as opposed to the hundreds of others out there) created the universe in this so called first "day".

The god of the New Testamentr said he is Truth.
"I am the Truth, and the way, and the life."

So, the creator God of the Old Testament, MUST, logically, be almighty Reality, itself.


Reality created the whole environment external to our individual minds with which we model it in the image of Truth which we can form.

There is no other god men must serve and bow to than the Reality within which they are trapped.

 

[cupid dave]

Haha, how about Allah?

Allah is one.

But the god of the Bible is three entities indistinguishable from one another in that man can not directly relate to Reality, but needs the mediator of Truth to allow his seven senses to make a model in his mind that corresponds with truths which are congruent to what actually exists.



This diagram my help you see my point:



LOGICAL SYLLOGISM:
A) Jesus is Truth, (personified: [John 14:6]).

B) Truth must correspond congruently to Reality by definition.
C) Then, Reality is congruent to Truth as Jesus is congruent to God.

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Reality is everything outside our head, and Truth is its reflection inside our head.

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[SLP]

Science doesn't know. If you want to reject the observational records man does have, where does that leave you?

With unbiased evidence.