Another poor response to ERV evidence for common ancestry by a creationist.

[Loudmouth]

We believe it because we consider it a fact.

Evidence of common design.

What wouldn't be evidence of common design?

Because number 1 does not explain all the data.

What data with respect to ERV's does it not explain?

We observe how ERV transfer from one generation to the next, but we did not observe its origin.

Do you have to watch every oak sprout from an acorn in order to accept that oaks sprout from acorns?

We observe that retroviruses insert into genomes. Do you doubt this fact?

We can test them through God’s word to see if they are consistent with it.

I was asking for a scientific experiment. What is it?

Yes, I did. You just don’t like it.

Exegesis is not testing. I am asking for a scientific experiment which will demonstrate that human ERV's are due to a supernatural deity resurrecting a hominid. If there isn't one then there is no refutation of the evidence presented in this thread.

 

[Loudmouth]

Stars are not in the past; they are in the distant.

Is the sun in the past?

The sun we observe now is the sun as it was about 8 minutes ago. Are you really telling us that you don't understand that light moves at a specific speed?

 

[pgp_protector]

Stars are not in the past; they are in the distant.

Is the sun in the past?

Right now when you're looking at it, you're seeing it as it was about 13.56 minutes ago, given it's about 1.634 AU away from Earth right now. (Light takes about 8.3 Minutes to travel 1 AU)

 

[Jazer]

I have this nagging suspicion that you do not know what the word "Evidence" means!

You forget that you said: "show us". So we can not show you the same evidence we can show a born again Child of God. We have to show you evidence that you can see and experence. Clearly you can see the Sun shine and the rain fall. You can not deny the evidence. Even though you are not a child of God, this is a gift to you from God.

 

[mzungu]

You forget that you said: "show us". So we can not show you the same evidence we can show a born again Child of God. We have to show you evidence that you can see and experence. Clearly you can see the Sun shine and the rain fall. You can not deny the evidence. Even though you are not a child of God, this is a gift to you from God.

Oh brother!

Have a nice day

 

[dad]

They had to be, otherwise life could not exist in the past. The mechanisms that are involved in retroviral replication are the same ones that are involved in cellular replication and reproduction. Since there was life in the past the retroviruses worked the same in the past.

You mean that life could not have existed in this state...I agree.

Also, we have mountains of observations of the past, and the laws were the same. You lose.

Imaginary mountains that can't be shown here don't count.

Pick any observation of a distant star.

And...? It will tell us...what?

 

[USincognito]

Right now when you're looking at it, you're seeing it as it was about 13.56 minutes ago, given it's about 1.634 AU away from Earth right now. (Light takes about 8.3 Minutes to travel 1 AU)

Are you sure about that? The difference between perihelion and aphelion is about .02 AU.

 

[Doveaman]

Right now when you're looking at it, you're seeing it as it was about 13.56 minutes ago, given it's about 1.634 AU away from Earth right now. (Light takes about 8.3 Minutes to travel 1 AU)

So I guess if I could travel to the sun I would be traveling into the past, right?

What about the moon, is that in the past too?

 

[Doveaman]

The sun we observe now is the sun as it was about 8 minutes ago. Are you really telling us that you don't understand that light moves at a specific speed?

So I guess if I could travel to the sun I would be traveling into the past, right?

What about the moon, is that in the past too?

 

[Nostromo]

So I guess if I could travel to the sun I would I be traveling into the past, right?

No, you'd be travelling into the future.

When you see the Sun you're seeing it as it was, not as it is at this instant.

 

[pgp_protector]

Are you sure about that? The difference between perihelion and aphelion is about .02 AU.

Yes, but what's the distance from Earth ?

 

[Doveaman]

So I guess if I could travel to the sun I would be traveling into the past, right?

No, you'd be travelling into the future.

When you see the Sun you're seeing it as it was, not as it is at this instant.

So I can see it in the past, but I can travel to it into the future.

 

[pgp_protector]

So I can see it in the past, but I can travel to it into the future.

You're X Miles away from it right now, and it takes light app 8 Mins to reach you from where you are.

If you travel 1/2 way to the sun, it takes time. When you're 1/2 way their, you're now seeing the sun as it was about 4 mins. ago. (and we would see you as you were 4 mins. ago)

When you arrive at the sun, you would see it as close to real time as possible, but we would see you as you were 8 mins ago.

 

[mzungu]

So I guess if I could travel to the sun I would be traveling into the past, right?

What about the moon, is that in the past too?

NO! When you travel towards an object you are decreasing the distance the light has to travel to you and thus are seeing the sun closer to the present. Even up close to the sun you will still be seeing it as it was when the photons left the sun till they reached your eyes and after the brain processed the image.
Even looking in the mirror, you would be looking at your image as it was in the past. It is impossible to see the present!

If you look at lightning strikes in the distance you will notice that the sound arrives much later than the light. This is due to the different speeds sound travels compared to light. Now even light has a limit and to answer to your question; When you look at the moon you are basically seeing it as it was approximately a second or so ago.

 

[USincognito]

Right now when you're looking at it, you're seeing it as it was about 13.56 minutes ago, given it's about 1.634 AU away from Earth right now. (Light takes about 8.3 Minutes to travel 1 AU)

Are you sure about that? The difference between perihelion and aphelion is about .02 AU.

Yes, but what's the distance from Earth ?

Between .98 and 1.02 AU, just like I said.

 

[mzungu]

Between .98 and 1.02 AU, just like I said.

Although the earth's orbit does change over time from eliptical to a circle. So AU is not constant but is due to keep changing in value.

Whatever the value of AU the fact remains that there is no way in hell that one can see the present!

 

[pgp_protector]

Between .98 and 1.02 AU, just like I said.

Hmm the original post vanished or something
I was giving the distance from Earth to Venus

 

[USincognito]

Hmm the original post vanished or something
I was giving the distance from Earth to Venus

Ah, gotcha now. You were correct after all (and I know you're not one to make such mistakes, that's why I called you out).

 

[Loudmouth]

You mean that life could not have existed in this state...I agree.

I mean that if retroviruses did not reproduce in the past like they do now then life could not either. Since life was reproducing in the past then so too did retroviruses.

Imaginary mountains that can't be shown here don't count.

The entire field of astronomy proves you wrong.

And...? It will tell us...what?

The the laws of physics have not changed.

 

[Loudmouth]

So I guess if I could travel to the sun I would be traveling into the past, right?

Nope. You would observe that the wavelengths of light coming from the sun decrease as you travel towards it.

What about the moon, is that in the past too?

The light that we see reflected off of the moon shows us what the moon looked like a few seconds ago.