Another NASA lie; or worse?

[mrpiddly]

You don't even know what a tsunami is do you. Did you not even se film of the devastating New Year tsunami on television? It may a a relentless wall of water but it is only about 5-10 feet high, it isn't going to lay down hundreds of feet of sediment, especially when some of those sediments are limestones and evaporites.

You really are clueless, why don't you get a beginners guide to geology out of the library and read it?

You are making an exhibition of your ingnorance and I feel emabrassed for you.

This is more waves in general but yes, they can be very high

http://www.surfersvillage.com/surfing/25499/news.htm

1740ft, and this is just caused by a "small" collapse. The real big waves come from super-volcanos or large earth impacts. These probably created waves many miles high traveling at extreme speeds. A wall of water miles high traveling at huge speeds has quite a force, its basically a wall of cement. As it travels over land, it picks of debris only adding to its destructive power. Combine this with the event that caused it, the shaking loose of sediment, and it could very well alter the entire geography of the earth.

 

[The Bellman]

This is more waves in general but yes, they can be very high

http://www.surfersvillage.com/surfing/25499/news.htm

1740ft, and this is just caused by a "small" collapse.

That was a 'splash' wave, caused by debris falling into the water. While huge, it's not a wave in the same sense that a tidal wave (tsunami) is.

The real big waves come from super-volcanos or large earth impacts. These probably created waves many miles high traveling at extreme speeds.

There is no evidence that this has ever happened.

The largest non-splash waves recorded are around the hundred foot mark - considerably short of the "many miles high" stated above.

 

[Avatar]

And how far a way is the Grand canyon from the coast.

The tsunami that hit the eastern sea board of America when the Canary islands collapsed was probably one of the largest ever seen and can we see large grand canyon like structures on the Eastern seaboard of the USA associated with it?

The idea that a tsunami of any size could lay down the complete sequence of stratigraphy at the grand canyon is nonsensical, it shows that he doesn't just undertand what the grand canyon is but also what a tsunami is.

Hey, I'm not a creationist. Just saying tsunamis can be a teensy bit bigger than 10 feet.

 

[Chalnoth]

George Bush is not the AntiChrist according to any understanding of the Bible I've read. The AntiChrist points to himself and not GOD. President Bush has never done that. Hitler did. Stalin did.

Hitler pointed to God quite a lot, actually.

 

[mrpiddly]

The largest non-splash waves recorded are around the hundred foot mark - considerably short of the "many miles high" stated above.

A tsunami is pretty much just a large displacement of water and it is no longer constrained to your definition.

Mass movements above or below water, volcanic eruptions and other underwater explosions, landslides, large meteorite impacts comet impacts and testing with nuclear weapons at sea all have the potential to generate a tsunami.

just run any simulation where a 10km or larger object moving at thousands of miles per hour hits the earth. Or, look at the eruption of super volcanos and how exactly such an eruption, they are erupting up to 5000km3 of material, would effect the land around it. You can prove both of these events through geology, the rest is just physics.

 

[Blayz]

Not being a geologist I have no vaild insight into this discussion except to ask

just run any simulation where a 10km or larger object moving at thousands of miles per hour hits the earth.

Kewl! Where do I get this simulation software from? is it freeware? will it run on my Mac? what real world 10km object hitting the earth data can I compare it against?

 

[ranmaonehalf]

the devil trickrd their instruments?

I call poe

i 2nd that. the one posts so far gives it away.

 

[Morcova]

I wonder what someone like MandM has to say about the Mariana Trench.

Alien base.

 

[Baggins]

This is more waves in general but yes, they can be very high

http://www.surfersvillage.com/surfing/25499/news.htm

1740ft, and this is just caused by a "small" collapse. The real big waves come from super-volcanos or large earth impacts. These probably created waves many miles high traveling at extreme speeds. A wall of water miles high traveling at huge speeds has quite a force, its basically a wall of cement. As it travels over land, it picks of debris only adding to its destructive power. Combine this with the event that caused it, the shaking loose of sediment, and it could very well alter the entire geography of the earth.

The largest tsunami in the last million years barely altered the geography of the Eastern seaboard of the USA, even massive extra-terrestrial impacts don't radically alter the geography of the earth, only plate tectonics does that, and tsunamis do not deposit aeolian sandstones, evaporites or limestones.

Unless you can convince of a mechanism that would allow them to.

There are so many reasons as to why a tsunami couldn't have had anything to do with the grand canyon that the length of the post needed to list them all would probably break the post size limit.

 

[Baggins]

Hey, I'm not a creationist. Just saying tsunamis can be a teensy bit bigger than 10 feet.

I know, most aren't, in very rare circumstances they can be quite large, they still don't materially affect the geology of places many miles inland, and they certainly don't deposit the types of sediment seen in the grand canyon.

I was just pointing out that LN doesn't know what he is talking about, rather than wishing to get into a long discussion about the effects of tsunamis, which aren't great.

 

[mrpiddly]

There are so many reasons as to why a tsunami couldn't have had anything to do with the grand canyon that the length of the post needed to list them all would probably break the post size limit.

since when did i ever said a tsunami created the grand canyon, that was just the slow erosion of water over millions of years. I just corrected you on your assumption that a tsunami was like 10ft high.


Just admit you were wrong, stop arguing against things i never said.

Kewl! Where do I get this simulation software from? is it freeware? will it run on my Mac? what real world 10km object hitting the earth data can I compare it against?

Its not like a simulation like you would probably like, it just spits out a bunch of numbers that you have to analyze. Some professor wrote it. You pretty much need a large server cluster though, what with the fluid dynamics and other general physics fun.

 

[Baggins]

since when did i ever said a tsunami created the grand canyon,

You didn't LN did

that was just the slow erosion of water over millions of years.

agreed

I just corrected you on your assumption that a tsunami was like 10ft high.

Most tsunamis are a few feet high

Just admit you were wrong, stop arguing against things i never said.

Most tsunamis are a few feet high

I know you are not a creationist, but there is no point in propagating ideas that tsunamis are walls of water hundreds of feet high. Many tsunamis happen every year most are very small, some may reach a few feet in height every few years and they make the 6 o'clock news.

Every few hundred years you may get a tsunami 10s of feet high.

A huge tsunami happens on a time period of thousands or tens of thousands of years.

There is no mechanism I can think of by which a flood of water would create such a tsunami.

So let's just agree that a tsunami, no matter what its size, couldn't create the sedimentary layers laid down in the grand canyon and leave it at that.

 

[Chalnoth]

Well, the height of a tsunami is a poor measure, since the height is variable depending upon the depth of the water where the tsunami is at any given time. I seem to remember that out in the open ocean, the typical height of a tsunami is only a couple of centimeters, but the wavelength may be hundreds of miles (for a big one).

When the tsunami, like any other wave, enters shallower water as it approaches shore, the wave speed drops, which causes the water to bunch up, causing the wave height to increase. This is the reason why more familiar waves tend to break on shore: as they slow further and further, the wave height increases more and more, until it falls in on itself.

The difference, I think, is that tsunamis tend to travel at much higher speeds, about as fast as a jetliner, so I don't think they get a chance to bunch up and break, and instead just wash water inward (most of the time...presumably the shape of the shoreline is such that a tsunami is allowed to break every once in a while...I'm pretty sure to do this you'd need a long, gradual slope).