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Another NASA lie; or worse?

Chalnoth

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The big bang theory has quite a lot of evidence in favor of it, and the evidence linked in this article in no way draws question upon the theory. What it does, in essence, is provides a different theory for the previous conditions of the universe, before the big bang theory is a good description.

Now, I am very skeptical as to the conclusions they stated, as it seems they're talking about a large scale effect, something which is almost certain to be a foreground effect, and even if it is a real pattern on the CMB, the statistics are such that you just can't draw any concrete conclusions anyway. But I will grant that I only read the news release, not the scientific paper associated, as I'm not sure what article they are referring to.

That said, for those here who have been doubting the big bang, here is a short list of some of the evidence in favor of the theory:
1. The CMB. The observed thermal spectrum and uniformity of the CMB is a strong prediction of the big bang theory.
2. Primordial light element abundances. The big bang theory makes a very specific prediction as to the ratio of the light elements produced in the big bang, prior to production in stars, and observations have confirmed this prediction with hydrogen, deuterium, and helium.
3. The expansion of the universe. Both the current rate and the expansion over time is consistent with the big bang theory, and is measured using a large variety of independent techniques that agree.
4. The observed homogeneity and isotropy of the universe.
5. The relationship of the fluctuations in the CMB to nearby large scale structure is consistent with the observed expansion rate.
6. The observed mass of the dark matter and normal matter in galaxies and galaxy clusters is consistent with the amounts predicted from observing the fluctuations in the CMB.

So, yeah, you'd have to be either ignorant of the evidence or completely irrational to say that the big bang theory is completely wrong.
 
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Why don't help the guy get a U.S. grant to find out? Oh, wait, you only wish to squander money to try to prove YOUR ideals and incorporate them into the educational system to raise more thinkers like yourself ---- and keep CREATIONISTS at bay.
Help him get a grant to research the devil? Why not get a grant to research the three bears too?
 
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Help him get a grant to research the devil? Why not get a grant to research the three bears too?
Maybe the Vatican can give scientists some money for research instead of the government. The church is loaded.
 
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Your house, furnace, automobile, the food you eat, was not designed, build, or grown through adherance to evolutionary theory

Actually, evolutionary biology has application in modern agriculture (among various other things, which I have repeatedly talked about here). I suppose I could start yet another a thread on it, if I thought it wouldn't be generally ignored by creationists.
 
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You for get Charlemane's "Holy Roman Empire" and also Constantinoble. My, the things you have not heard....
Is arithmetic also a problem for creationists?

The Byzantine Empire fell in 1453, approximately 550 years ago.
 
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Sorry, but I don't buy this. Christianity had to contend with Roman politics for centuries, so that you could now have the possibility of thinking for yourself. And now it is be wasted trying to prove exactly what of any eternal importance?
You had from the advent of science until the evidence for modern geology theories and evolution were discovered. And yet when all those YECs went out and searched for evidence they kept finding things that pointed towards an old earth that had never had a global flood...hmm, wonder why?
 
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Is telepathy a possible form of speech, or is your mind far to broad to consider that? So much for free-thinkers,
No, I would not consider an imaginary form of communication speech.
 
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I believe the reality is that people are getting taxpayers money in order to make up Genesis stories. If you believe GOD's free CREATION epic holds no possible reward for you, what on earth makes you imagine that spending thousands of dollars of taxpayers money will make their contrivances of any value for me.

I bet you wouldn't apply the same criteria to medical research and treatments.
 
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Help him get a grant to research the devil? Why not get a grant to research the three bears too?
No, the FLOOD. The fact of devils is already very plane to anyone willing to consider their existance.
 
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I bet you wouldn't apply the same criteria to medical research and treatments.
Medical treatment has everything to do with nutricianal investigations, refined operation procedures, herbal applications, and chemical manipulations. NONE of the healing processes or operation have anything really to do with the origins of man. In fact, it would seem to have in many cases so much more to do with DIVINE intervention.
 
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Medical treatment has everything to do with nutricianal investigations, refined operation procedures, herbal applications, and chemical manipulations. NONE of the healing processes or operation have anything really to do with the origins of man. In fact, it would seem to have in many cases so much more to do with DIVINE intervention.
Hahah... there you go again. Ignorance of the true cause = divine intervention.

Notice a trend? God=ignorance.
 
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No, the FLOOD. The fact of devils is already very plane to anyone willing to consider their existance.
No sense wasting money on something that's already been disproven. There is no evidence of a global flood. That was falsified back in the 1800s...

Devils are not a fact and the word is "plain" as "plane" has an entirely different meaning. Perhaps you should have your creationist ilk spend their money on researching devils and demons. Or better yet, buy you all a spellcheck.
 
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No he didn't, look at his post again. Carefully.
Well, the Holy Roman Empire existed centuries later. And the fall of Constantinople, marking the end of the Byzantine Empire in 1453. The Reformation began very close to that event.
 
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No sense wasting money on something that's already been disproven. There is no evidence of a global flood. That was falsified back in the 1800s...

Devils are not a fact and the word is "plain" as "plane" has an entirely different meaning. Perhaps you should have your creationist ilk spend their money on researching devils and demons. Or better yet, buy you all a spellcheck.
Prove it has been disproven. The very layering of the Grand Canyon could only have occured under limited conditions, the most likely being repeated Tsunami action.
 
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Medical treatment has everything to do with nutricianal investigations, refined operation procedures, herbal applications, and chemical manipulations. NONE of the healing processes or operation have anything really to do with the origins of man. In fact, it would seem to have in many cases so much more to do with DIVINE intervention.
*Sigh* Evolutionary biology (yes, including the very notion that humans share ancestry with other species) plays a role in modern medical research. Maybe I should bump my post on pharmacophylogenomics. Not that I think you would read it, though.
 
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Prove it has been disproven. The very layering of the Grand Canyon could only have occured under limited conditions, the most likely being repeated Tsunami action.

Tsunamis do not produce limestone nor do they produce eolian deposits. Try again.
 
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Tsunamis do not produce limestone nor do they produce eolian deposits. Try again.
They produce what seem to be sand dune structures which in turn would compact under pressure and between layers of meteoric and volcanic fallout.
 
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The Roman Empire fell 550 years ago and the Protestant Reformation was slightly after that. What the heck is taking you Creationists so long then?

Well, the Holy Roman Empire existed centuries later. And the fall of Constantinople, marking the end of the Byzantine Empire in 1453. The Reformation began very close to that event.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. 2007-1453 = 554 years ago. I just rounded down because I was feeling lazy.

You still didn't answer why Creationists haven't come up with anything in the last 550 years.
 
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