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I'm sure it has been known.
The trouble is that we overuse, and therefore devalue, certain words today. Now days if someone says "myth" then probably mean, and people seem to think of, your definition - i.e. myth = false or fantasy.
Just as the word "depression" can mean anything from a mild case of the blues to "can't get out of bed and anyway the world would be better off without me."
Even the word "Christian" has become devalued. Some people describe themselves this way because they were born in a Christian country, go to church sometimes, do good deeds and believe they are generally good people. Others would say that a person is not a Christian unless they are born again, Spirit filled and fully devoted to God.
Nonetheless except for the rare exception neither of us can come up with, within our lifetime a myth is a fable.
You'll have to take that up with @Apple Sky , but I'm fairly sure she said it couldn't be proved from Scripture.
I wasn't doubting what you said. The "oh really?" was genuine surprise since I'm so used to those I described.
 
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Oh really? Most flat earth Christians I know of here reject global earth because they say it goes against scripture, whereas flat earth fits scripture.

Where as scripture doesn't actually say that the earth is flat it does however have over 200 passages that relate to earth being level & flat.

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I wasn't doubting what you said. The "oh really?" was genuine surprise since I'm so used to those I described.
Yes, sorry. I don't believe, and didn't mean to imply, you were doubting me. :hug:
 
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Nonetheless except for the rare exception neither of us can come up with, within our lifetime a myth is a fable.

A myth does hold the truth, take mythological creatures, I believe these creatures did exist before the deluge as I also believe that they had the technology for the splicing of the DNA.

Apparently it was the fallen angels who taught men to splice the DNA along with many other things they taught to men.

Read Genesis 6.
 
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Well I'm not fine with any of this nonsense, the firmament is as real today as it was yesterday.
Nope, we have space rockets, satellites and even the ISS. There is no firmament.
 
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Can you name the well known theologian bible scholars who hold such views?
I am not too familiar with English Bible scholars. In my language, I used the Bible dictionary of Adolf Novotný, which was passed down to me in my baptismal church.

In the English speaking world, I know about this one:
 
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Nonetheless except for the rare exception neither of us can come up with, within our lifetime a myth is a fable.
Myth is a genre of folklore consisting primarily of narratives that play a fundamental role in a society. For scholars, this is very different from the vernacular usage of the term "myth" that refers to a belief that is not true. Instead, the veracity of a myth is not a defining criterion. Myths are often endorsed by secular and religious authorities and are closely linked to religion or spirituality.
 
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Myth is a genre of folklore consisting primarily of narratives that play a fundamental role in a society. For scholars, this is very different from the vernacular usage of the term "myth" that refers to a belief that is not true. Instead, the veracity of a myth is not a defining criterion. Myths are often endorsed by secular and religious authorities and are closely linked to religion or spirituality.
Most of the time when people hear something described as a myth, they think fable, rather than contemplate other less likely definitions and look it up on Wikipedia.
 
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Most of the time when people hear something described as a myth, they think fable, rather than contemplate other less likely definitions and look it up on Wikipedia.
Well, we cannot change the genre of Genesis just because people are uneducated. I would also say that there is a difference between myth and mythological.

For example Gen 1 is more similar to a theatrical drama than to a classic myth. Thats why I call it mythological drama, instead of simply myth.
 
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There is when it means the expanse of the heavens.
Or when it means the galaxy or when it means space-time or... thats all nice, but its not the original idea of the text, its eisegesis.
 
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Well, we cannot change the genre of Genesis just because people are uneducated. I would also say that there is a difference between myth and mythological.

For example Gen 1 is more similar to a theatrical drama than to a classic myth. Thats why I call it mythological drama, instead of simply myth.
The way it's told doesn't make it a fictional accounting. Which seems to be what you're implying. Christians come up with the idea that it's "mythological drama" because they feel it doesn't gel with science. But God clearly defies science at times. It's scientifically impossible for a woman to become impregnated by a spirit entity. It's scientifically impossible for a man who's truly been dead for three days to come back to life. It's scientifically impossible for three separate beings to be one in the same. Much less be each other's father and son.
 
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Or when it means the galaxy or when it means space-time or... thats all nice, but its not the original idea of the text, its eisegesis.
Saying it means a solid dome in Gen 1:6 requires more eisegesis than saying it simply means what the sky actually is.
 
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I am not too familiar with English Bible scholars. In my language, I used the Bible dictionary of Adolf Novotný, which was passed down to me in my baptismal church.

In the English speaking world, I know about this one:
He doesn't come up on the list of 20th/21st century theologians. As far as I know, from being a Christian for over 50 years, calling Genesis 1 and 2 mythology (or whatever variant you want to use) is not an orthodox view.
 
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He doesn't come up on the list of 20th/21st century theologians. As far as I know, from being a Christian for over 50 years, calling Genesis 1 and 2 mythology (or whatever variant you want to use) is not an orthodox view.

No it's not an orthodox view, don't listen to them.
 
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We may have rockets, but none of them have landed on the moon.
Oh yeah, they did, several times. We have all the evidence, videos, photos, it was verified with later probe images, the laser mirrors on the moon still work etc.
 
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He doesn't come up on the list of 20th/21st century theologians. As far as I know, from being a Christian for over 50 years, calling Genesis 1 and 2 mythology (or whatever variant you want to use) is not an orthodox view.
It is an orthodox view and actually the mainstream view. You can check in Bible dictionaries, in theological seminaries, in the mainstream churches etc. It may not be the mainstream in your personal experience, but that happens.

Not sure what you mean by "the list of theologians". People creating Bible dictionaries, translating Bibles or teaching the biblical background in universities are, indeed, Bible scholars.
 
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Saying it means a solid dome in Gen 1:6 requires more eisegesis than saying it simply means what the sky actually is.
Gen 1:6 is not the only biblical reference to the Mesopotamian concept of firmament. The firmament in G 1:6 does not float in a vacuum and we cannot ascribe whatever we want to it, but it has its cultural context. Bible dictionaries might help you with this.
 
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