kenneth558
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When I quoted Crick I expected the better of you - that you would think for two moments instead of only a half, so as to realize that Crick said we are not designed. Instead of going back to reread the post, your over-confidence got the better of you
kenneth558 said:Arikay, that is a most excellent request!!!!!
What will it take?
Give me an example, please. IOW, don't just tell me what DOESN'T qualify, tell me what DOES.Jet Black said:I suggest something that cannot come about by unintelligent processes.
I am not the one saying that things can only be designed by an intelligent process. In fact I see the whole argument as a massive contradiction:kenneth558 said:Give me an example, please. IOW, don't just tell me what DOESN'T qualify, tell me what DOES.
The reason I'm nailing you on this is because you won't be able to think of ANYTHING that will qualify. A real-life example, that is. Is it that you have no design experience? Or is it that all your designs have lacked....well, let's just see if you can give an example.
Really? What is the evidence of a designer. I would be very interested in seeing it!kenneth558 said:Were we designed or not? Crick says "NO". The evidence says "YES". Ya'll don't seem to know who to agree with. Neither do my professors. That is one of many elements of total confusion amongst evolutionists that make the evolution topic non-resolvable in discussions like this.
Peer reviewed science...REAL science, not desperate wishing and twistings.kenneth558 said:What will it take?
kenneth558 said:You guys are sad, real sad.
In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.
Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?
kenneth558 said:You guys are sad, real sad.
In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.
Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. And that is even assuming humans have as many offspring as fruit flies!!!!! Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?
LorentzHA, you would do well to learn some design skills. Computer programming is one of the easiest forms I know of. I've also got some electronics circuitry design in my background. Some people design buildings, vehicles, or manufacturing processes. Any and all of these design fields MUST ABSOLUTELY reckon with factors such as stability (which is basically overcoming entropy for as long as possible).
So why don't buildings collapse as they're being built? Do they temporarily defy the 2nd law of Thermodynamics and finally succumb?kenneth558 said:You guys are sad, real sad.
In Evolution class today I asked the professor about how long it would take for a fruit fly lineage (3 week generation length) to speciate; that is, to give rise to a new species. She said about 500 million years. (She knows fruit flies, by the way.) Can anyone here do the math besides me? What does this mean for organisms like humans with 10-30 year generation lengths? Now don't make me lead you by the hand.
The entire insect order only diverged from class arthropoda 300-350mya. Your professor is wrong (don't be too hard on her, professors are only human too.).
Oh, maybe I need to: 20 years is (20 * 52 / 3) times as long as 3 weeks. Apply that factor to the 500 million year figure: 500,000,000 x 20 x 17 = 170 Billion years. And that is even assuming humans have as many offspring as fruit flies!!!!! Something here is mathmatically impossible. Savvy?
LorentzHA, you would do well to learn some design skills. Computer programming is one of the easiest forms I know of. I've also got some electronics circuitry design in my background. Some people design buildings, vehicles, or manufacturing processes. Any and all of these design fields MUST ABSOLUTELY reckon with factors such as stability (which is basically overcoming entropy for as long as possible).
I'm not a programmer... just a participant in a lively online discussion. You may benefit from looking at multiple sources, and making your mind up from there. Happy path to knowledge!kenneth558 said:Ishmael Borg, you should learn some design skills, too. Happy programming.
kenneth558 said:Arikay, the vast scientific logic behind your reply blows me away. Will I be the first to tell you that you are a lost cause?
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