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shaaz_99

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Ok ladies..............Hubby left on Sat as some of you know.Haven't really heard much from him untill this morning, when he said he will come after work tonite to talk.The thing is, he has made it clear that he is no longer interested in a realationship with me, but he does love our 4 children very much.
Is it wrong for us to stay together solely for them?, or do I take a stand and say things between us need to improve?
Help!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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shaaz_99 said:
Is it wrong for us to stay together solely for them?, or do I take a stand and say things between us need to improve?
Help!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know how much help I am (I don't believe in divorce for anything other than adultery or some abuse cases), but it's not wrong for you to stay together for any reason. You made a promise, a vow, a covenant, a contract with God Almighty to stay together till death do you part. Why isn't that reason enough to stay together? I don't know the details of your situation, but this marriage forum has got my yarn in a bunch with all the divorce talk.
 
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I don't know the history of your marriage,so you can either take it w/ a grain of salt,or not! Assuming there is no physical abuse or infidelity-I say stay and work it out! 4kids are hard to raise w/ two,let alone just one! Yes I would be upfront and tell him what improvements need to be made! At the same time make sure you don't end up giving the old "YOU need to change lecture". He will shut down and tune you out if you don't acknowledge that both of you need improving!
I hope and pray your marriage turns around for the better! :pray:
 
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shaaz_99 said:
Is it wrong for us to stay together solely for them?, or do I take a stand and say things between us need to improve?
Help!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not wrong to stay together solely for your children at this point. And it's not wrong to take a stand and ask for certain things to improve. You can do this irregardless if your husband says he does not want to be together anymore. Chances are, he'll rethink that statement. At least if he decides to stay - or come back after a short time - he'll know what boundaries you've established in advance.
 
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Shaaz, Just remember that God has a perfect plan and perfect timing for your lives... I know the devastation you're feeling and the anxiousness for him to talk with you. When my husband decided a year ago that he wasn't in love with me and told me so, I thought my world had ended. In the beginning I worked so hard for his attention and for him to talk to me, but it didn't work... I REALLY learned how to lean on the Lord then... I realized that my joy in life doesn't come from my husband, but from the Lord... After I found that joy again I was able to function daily and was able to just love my husband in spite of it all. I read a book "The Power of a Praying Wife" by Stormie Omarian, which opened my eyes and heart in prayer for my husband..

"Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong" 2 Corinthians 12:8-10

I will continue praying for you...
Angie
 
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IslandBreeze said:
I don't know how much help I am (I don't believe in divorce for anything other than adultery or some abuse cases), but it's not wrong for you to stay together for any reason. You made a promise, a vow, a covenant, a contract with God Almighty to stay together till death do you part. Why isn't that reason enough to stay together? I don't know the details of your situation, but this marriage forum has got my yarn in a bunch with all the divorce talk.
Great post. I agree 100%. It's not going to be an easy road, but staying together for reasons that seem outside of the marriage will at least give "face time" to the marriage with opportunity for God to work another amazing miracle!!!
 
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I disagree with staying together just for the kids. It is one thing to stay married for a time and refrain from divorce in the hopes that things can be worked out. But being together in the same house and not really being "fully together" as husband and wife should be is a worse thing for the kids than being seperated would be.
The younger generation espeacially is looking for what is "real" . Having a marriage that models for them a false view of what marriage ought to be is not good for them to see. It teaches your children that problems are to be avoided rather then worked out.
I would take your stand for your marriage and not allow your husband to whimp out. If he really loves the children, then he needs to do the right thing and love their mother too.
 
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Just be careful that 'staying together for the kids' doesn't mean, to him, that he can do what he likes outside the home.
:amen: and :amen:

Pray for your marriage. Talk with each other and pray together. See what improvements you BOTH need to make in order to make your marriage a real one so you're not together "just for the kids".

Unless adultery has occurred there is no reason really to consider divorce.
 
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i bet i get a lot of grief or get put on ignore for this, but here goes:

fast and pray. fast beyond sacrifice, here. pray for reconciliation, heart changes in both of you, humility, strength, & courage. if there was adultery, even, i would be loath to advise you to let him divorce you easily.. and you both especially have to fight for it, because you have the 4 children to consider...
it's not the fact that you are "staying married just for the kids" that is the big deal. the fact is that because you 2 have 4 children together, you two will never be out of each other's lives. your divorce is not just affecting you two--which by the way, i will tell you what i and most other people who divorce felt--but the children. and they cannot help but subconsciously take some blame for your divorce. for whatever reason, they will think that this is their fault, and they will understand that dad is abandoning them. there is nothing you can say or do, or the dad can say or do, to not make them feel like this. they will see their daddy as quitting. and you as quitting. and it affects them horribly.

and you?? you & he think it will be easier because you are not living together. and it won't. it will be more and more difficult. because you two don't have to compromise anymore. you don't have to get along. you don't have to stick it out, per se. and your children will be affected hugely by the lack of united fronts. then you two will have that option to turn around and meet and date other people. and this will cause even more turmoil for everyone involved, and worse yet, the sins you couldn't conquer in your first marriage, you will bring to your 2nd marriage, because they weren't dealt with.. they were just given up on.

if he has left, and he has no intentions of reconciliation, whether you do or not, then i say pray and fast for his heart. i say grieve and beg God for another chance. even if this were a "justifiable" divorce, after that original euphoria of relief, and this is done, and over, and amen, stage, then comes the grief, the hurt, the anger, the feeling of failure and worthlessness, and "i can't do anything right.. i failed at my marriage, i fail at being a good and right parent, i fail at being a godly woman, i fail at being righteous" etc etc etc. and you will think that stuff for at least 2 years, average.

and you will never get over the pain of the divorce. those 4 children will be your reminder for the rest of your life.

now, again, if we are talking about adultery here, then yes, this is a different story, to many extents.. and physical abuse cases, are individual--i know i will get grief for that... real grief...sorry, my opinion.... in cases of adultery and abuse, i still say pray and fast fast fast.. beg God for another chance. beg God for wisdom and knowledge humility and true love for your husband, and beg God for all of these things to be in your husband's heart, so you can restore this marriage...
 
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isaiah5213 said:
i bet i get a lot of grief or get put on ignore for this, but here goes:

fast and pray. fast beyond sacrifice, here. pray for reconciliation, heart changes in both of you, humility, strength, & courage. if there was adultery, even, i would be loath to advise you to let him divorce you easily.. and you both especially have to fight for it, because you have the 4 children to consider...
it's not the fact that you are "staying married just for the kids" that is the big deal. the fact is that because you 2 have 4 children together, you two will never be out of each other's lives. your divorce is not just affecting you two--which by the way, i will tell you what i and most other people who divorce felt--but the children. and they cannot help but subconsciously take some blame for your divorce. for whatever reason, they will think that this is their fault, and they will understand that dad is abandoning them. there is nothing you can say or do, or the dad can say or do, to not make them feel like this. they will see their daddy as quitting. and you as quitting. and it affects them horribly.

and you?? you & he think it will be easier because you are not living together. and it won't. it will be more and more difficult. because you two don't have to compromise anymore. you don't have to get along. you don't have to stick it out, per se. and your children will be affected hugely by the lack of united fronts. then you two will have that option to turn around and meet and date other people. and this will cause even more turmoil for everyone involved, and worse yet, the sins you couldn't conquer in your first marriage, you will bring to your 2nd marriage, because they weren't dealt with.. they were just given up on.

if he has left, and he has no intentions of reconciliation, whether you do or not, then i say pray and fast for his heart. i say grieve and beg God for another chance. even if this were a "justifiable" divorce, after that original euphoria of relief, and this is done, and over, and amen, stage, then comes the grief, the hurt, the anger, the feeling of failure and worthlessness, and "i can't do anything right.. i failed at my marriage, i fail at being a good and right parent, i fail at being a godly woman, i fail at being righteous" etc etc etc. and you will think that stuff for at least 2 years, average.

and you will never get over the pain of the divorce. those 4 children will be your reminder for the rest of your life.

now, again, if we are talking about adultery here, then yes, this is a different story, to many extents.. and physical abuse cases, are individual--i know i will get grief for that... real grief...sorry, my opinion.... in cases of adultery and abuse, i still say pray and fast fast fast.. beg God for another chance. beg God for wisdom and knowledge humility and true love for your husband, and beg God for all of these things to be in your husband's heart, so you can restore this marriage...
I find nothing disagreeable in your post. There is a time for divorce but not until we have made a real effort to save the marriage. I respect your viewpoint because it is not double minded and either a person is trying to save their marriage or trying to end it. The in between stuff of waffling back and forth is really hard on everyone involved and shameful.
 
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