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To my understanding, they both fall under the definition of "martyr" unless you have your own definition of "martyr"?
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With all due respect, I believe there is a difference between knife wielding men trying to kill as much people as they can out of hatred, and someone who is spreading the news of peace and joy and salvation dieing under torture, and forgiving even their own tormentors.
To my understanding, they both fall under the definition of "martyr" unless you have your own definition of "martyr"?
True, as in a home owner shooting an invading robber and a drug trafficker shooting a police officer are both killers. You are much too smart to not know the original intent of the question
How about we rephrase the original question to why someone would die under torture and imprisonment trying to spread peace joy and the news of salvation, and even forgive their own tormentors?
Or am I also making an unwarranted assertion and have already made up my mind, thus invalidating the need for a response that will most likely have no affect?
I don't like your tone of voice, so I'll wait for someone more polite to ask.
True, as in a home owner shooting an invading robber and a drug trafficker shooting a police officer are both killers. You are much too smart to not know the original intent of the question
How about we rephrase the original question to why someone would die under torture and imprisonment trying to spread peace joy and the news of salvation, and even forgive their own tormentors?
Or am I also making an unwarranted assertion and have already made up my mind, thus invalidating the need for a response that will most likely have no affect?
Actually I'll answer but I'll offer a short answer because it's a big question. Short answer: There are many possible reasons why. If you're suggesting that you don't see how people would suffer "torture" or "imprisonment" for something that is a "lie" you have to understand that in the minds of people, a lie could be "true". When we believe something is true in spite of evidence it can offer us emotional comfort, support, vigilance, bravery and fanaticism. So anyone is capable of believing a lie. That's how lies work. We are also capable of ignoring a lie if the lie itself offers a lot to us emotionally. Then when you tie together culture, family, worldview and society, lies can be the pillars of societies.
Still torture, death, and the forgiveness of ones captors... I'm not saying that is proof or anything, but it MUST have been a strong conviction. Thanks for the response, rpeg.
Yes.
Do you have any problems in writing the details of that moment etc. please?like how you asked him?why-when you asked him
How did I asked "Jesus"? I don't recall much of that either. I certainly asked for signs.
yes, but they believed it to death, and its spreading was fast.So why would it be like that?Every person who started believing, had a faith till death, sell everything he has (a lot did that).why would they do that?why would they change all their habits and fully stop enjoying life but rather seek pain and torture and death in serving the lord?Wouldnt it be because of the miracles or because of some sort of proof?
You should consider that there are currently people in the world who are tortured, beaten and killed for their beliefs. Some of which may be beliefs you do not regard as "true".
It is good to read that you have taken the time to think properly about your position before you started to contribute here.I grew up around an implicit Christian environment. Went to Sunday school... a few times. Church on Sunday, sometimes. Etc. So my interest was initially out of curiosity "What are these people talking about?" Then as a teenager I just reflected for hours on the matter of god: how, what, why, where and should it matter to me? Through that I reflected on the implications of the bible. So, my heavy reflection started in the mid-90s.
You should try it from your heart, truly seek him from your heart,pray for 10s min in a calm environment, and have a promise in mind that if you get signs, you would really change your way of life etc. and try to serve Jesus&God as much as possible.
Suffering is caused by the devil.And it's easy for people to avoid hell, also, hell isnt a lake of fire only,there are much lighter torments, but the lake of fire is preserved mostly for the devil and his demons and maybe those who really are truly criminals.(it's not for me to judge tho.) . But God is Just, and Jesus through all his great and good works mentioned in the bible, said that only God is good,although Jesus did the best any human can imagine for us,and he still says that God is better). Jesus is always with him and knows him better, but the gap of intelligence between us and God is so great that we may understand his works completely the opposite. (this is off topic but I felt that it would be good to help you with what I really believe as I had exactly the same questions and many more)
Yes. Tragic...
On another note, what do you think Hell, if it exists, would be like?
Your comment is very sarcastic. I'm not sure I understand why. You asserted that no one would ever die for a lie. I have told you that people die all the time for their beliefs. You should either be prepared to call their beliefs "true" or be realize that people do die for lies.
I have no understanding of what "hell" would be like. I often here it's hot. I have no knowledge other than hearsay from people.
Hmm, I have to do a better job of writing it looks like. I originally wrote how no one should be persecuted for their beliefs, how it was very sad. Then I got distracted and had to write it all over again. My bad.
That being said. I asked the hell question because you mentioned hell was one of the things you did not like about Christianity. What was it about hell?
It wasn't the idea of a "hell" that bothered me as a kid. It was the decision making involved that doomed some people to hell out of no fault of their own.
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