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Just like there are different aspects of faith, there are different anointings. For example, some singers do not sing that well when compared to other singers yet their singing is anointed. Can't you hear it sometimes?
When one believes in Christ the Holy Spirit indwells us:
The above verse also shows we never lose our salvation. So, once you believed the Holy Spirit indwelled you and you are sealed, and can never lose salvation.
We all have gifts when we come to Christ. Some are the gifts we had before Christ, which God now uses to His glory. Some are gifts given, a couple examples below.
Some gifts are commonly seen in countries where the church is growing, such as China, a persecuted country. Whereas healing is not a common thing to see in usa, I have read of healings occuring, however, it was not because a man performed a healing, but because Christ healed someone (the one I read of as regards church growth in China.)
Some gifts have passed away and are no longer. However, again, in countries where the book of Acts is occuring today as in the bible, it is common to see many gifts.
Tongues is a foreign language, and if one speaks in tongues, one must be there to interpret so that all hearing would be edified. Doubt this gift occurs much today; as is not needed, but may well occur where many are gathered who speak different languages.
Prophecy in this day and age, is one who preaches the word of God, though some believe they are prophets and fortell; this I do not believe. So, we all are prophets in that sense, since many times, we teach or preach the word of God in various ways.
Prophets in the old testament were those who heard from God and were told to tell His people or other people what God had said.
Again, I don't believe such occurs today. We have the bible, so beware if someone says they fortell or were given a special message from God for you. I was told something on CF, don't recall what, by someone who believes he's a prophet. Not only did it not line up with God word, there was no benefit nor truth nor edification to what was said, so beward such as some do claim to be prophets.
In countries where there is no bibles allowed, prophecy does occur, that is a teaching of Gods word given the person, but what is said, will be in the bible, and not a strange teaching.
Some may say, I have a vision or was told by Christ to do thus or thus. Let them do that for themselves, but again, when someone tries to tell you you must do thus and thus because of something they believe they've been told, I would be wary. However, you may not be aware of certain things, and other believers can make you aware, and say such; wow, did you realize you are a good teacher, etc, and give you an awareness you might never have had before.
Many people get into gifts in an unhealthy way; saying if one doesn't have the gift they have then something is wrong with you. This is not right, nor true, and there is no need, but ask God for what you need, and he gives as you need.
Many Christians don't concern themselves with gift, but use the abilities they have to help the body of Christ, without even being aware they are gifted in that way.
So, there is no need to know what you are gifted in, as you are actually using the gifts all the time.
Some churches give out helps to help determine where your gifts are; which can be helpful, but again, one is already using their gifts, many times unaware; it is just a natural part of them to do many things.
If you like to teach, then your gift may be teaching, same with preaching, same with helping others, etc.
Some say you must be filled with the Holy Spirit, etc.
We already are filled with the Holy Spirit, but a futher filling is more so as we read the word, or are serving, or singing or anything that draws us closer to God. We can sometimes, but not always sense the Spirit, as we may be watching TV and the Holy Spirit brings a verse to mind and helps resolve a question one has, and it happens out of the blue many times, but again each is different.
So, for example, when reading, singing, praying etc, I might feel (hate to use that word) but feel a joy, from such, and this is an example of the filling of the Holy Spirit. That does not stay with someone, but comes and goes with our walk with God, as we go thru many things in our walk with God.
We all are to serve others, so, I guess I'm just saying, no need to have great concern or even any over gifts, as many do.
Some even say one isn't saved if they don't have certain gifts, which is a lie.
Anyway, here's a few scriptures below, but not exhaustive; on gifts.
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Most people do not understand this specific anointing,..
There was a difference here. We do receive the anointing inside of us, but here Jesus is talking about The Holy Spirit being upon Him.
There was also another distinction,..
Jesus was not in power until after His time of temptation, so something took place between these events.
Also, this anointing upon was spoken of by David,..
So I guess people can take it or leave it. If they want to experience this sort of anointing, they will reach for it till they have it.
As far as the teaching about "touch not mine anointed" I think it is overabused by folks who are not actually anointed this way.
I think I am trying to figure out what all I have been taught what has been hypocracy and what is the truth.
Good idea . I started that 15 years ago . It is amazing how many doctrines don't pass the tests they say that you should give doctrines ( including those doctrines about tests ) .
I found over time I kept getting into churches that it wasn't about what God's word said, it was about what the Pastor said. Since I am seeking out a new church, relying fully on God's word is what I am doing now...learning what His word says.
That's great!
Well I can't let myself get mixed into a church where God's word isn't preached. It has made my Christian walk a difficult one, confusing,and a lot of times without joy....and I won't let that happen again.
I sure hope you CAN find a church that preaches the whole counsel of God. It'll be difficult but with God all things are possible. IF you truly want to be part of a church organisation then you will have to come to a place inside yourself where it doesn't matter if they're not perfect, you are able to be there for others. And you will need to know inside yourself what is truth and what isn't if you hope to stand up to all the false teachings going on. So I wish you well, and it's great to see people thinking for themselves.
Isaiah 9:16 Those who guide this people mislead them, and those who are guided are led astray.Oh I do not expect at all to find a church that is perfect....that would be impossible as there is no human that is perfect.
Isaiah 9:16 Those who guide this people mislead them, and those who are guided are led astray.
A church is a good place for fellowship but let the Word be your guide not the church.
I found over time I kept getting into churches that it wasn't about what God's word said, it was about what the Pastor said. Since I am seeking out a new church, relying fully on God's word is what I am doing now...learning what His word says.
but doesn't the Bible say we're not supposed to rebuke elders? i'm just confused about that one.The anointing doesn't initially mean you have gifts. To be anointed of God means you have accepted the blood sacrifice of Jesus dying on your behalf and you have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. The gifts are given according to the will of the Holy Spirit. Some people have gifts that are very obvious and stand out, and are 'showy', others have gifts that are hidden to the eye and are not at all showy. One gift is not any more important to God than another. It's whatever HE chooses to give you.
But first of all realize that the anointing is IN you because you have the Holy Spirit. Pastors may or may not have the gift of ascension called 'pastor'. Some men just decide they want to be a pastor without it being given to them by Holy Spirit. They (any Pastor) is no more anointed than what you or any other person in church is. If they have been given the gift of being a pastor then they have the anointing for that job. But, it's no better than whatever gift you may have. They are not 'above' you.
Be careful not to fall under the spiritual abuse of some leaders who tell you that you must obey them, and can't question them, because they are anointed. I have often heard it from the pulpit, 'touch not God's anointed', as if they are untouchable. Please don't listen to it. It's abuse of their position and abuse of the 'sheep'.
but doesn't the Bible say we're not supposed to rebuke elders? i'm just confused about that one.
i have read it in context before, and i just read it again on the link. but it seems like all the pastors i've heard, have always basically said that they're the head. me and me last pastor had a bad "discussion" about this. i told him Christ was the Head and he didn't like that too much...
but he was way outta line in what he did. and the whole church knew it, but nobody would say anything. he was basically practicing pulpit witchcraft with all the manipulating he did. and nobody would say a word about anything he did.
and then when i read that about rebuking elders later on, i felt kinda bad about it. so now i guess i dont know when it's necessary and if it is how are you supposed to go about doing it. i see what the scriptures say, but i have never seen it done before. that's why i just decided to pray for them if i feel offended by them or something like that.
Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers, 2older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity
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