Anna

[Kristos]

Apolytikion in the Fourth Tone
O Godly-minded Anna, thou didst give birth unto God's pure Mother
who conceived Him Who is our Life. Wherefore, thou hast now passed
with joy to thy heavenly rest, wherein is the abode of them that
rejoice in glory; and thou askest forgiveness of sins for them that
honour thee with love, O ever-blessed one.

Kontakion in the Second Tone
We celebrate now the mem'ry of Christ's ancestors, while asking
their help with faith, that we may all be saved from all manner of
tribulation as we fervently cry aloud: Be thou with us, O Lord our God,
Whose pleasure it was to glorify them both.

 

[seashale76]

O Holy righteous Anna, pray to God for us!

 

[Kristos]

 

[simonthezealot]

So Anna is mother of Mary? and Grandma of God? Mother in law to the Holy Spirit?

 

[Sphinx777]

According to Christian tradition, Saint Anne (also Ann or Anna) of David's house and line, was the mother of the Virgin Mary. Her name Anne is a Greek rendering of a Hebrew name, Hannah. Mary's mother is not named in the canonical Gospels. According to the apocryphal Gospel of James, Anne and her husband Joachim, after years of childlessness, were visited by an angel who told them that they would conceive a child. Anne promised to dedicate the child to God's service. Joachim and Anne are believed to have given Mary to the service of the Second Temple when the girl was three years old. Anne is a patron saint of Quebec and Brittany, and patroness of women in labor and miners.

The story bears a superficial similarity to that of the birth of Samuel, whose mother Hannah had also been childless. Although Anne's cult receives little attention in the Western church prior to the late 12th century, dedications to Anne in the Eastern church occur as early as the 6th century. In the Eastern Orthodox tradition, Anne is ascribed the title Forbear of God, and both the Birth of Mary and the Dedication of Mary to the Temple are celebrated as two of the Twelve Great Feasts.

In Western iconography, Anne may be recognised by her depiction in red robe and green mantle, often holding a book. Images may also be found depicting Anne holding a small Mary who in turn holds an infant Christ. Such trinitarian representations mirror similar depictions of the Trinity, and were sometimes produced as pairs.

Varying theologians have believed either that Joachim was Anne's only husband, or that she was married thrice. Ancient belief, attested to by a sermon of St John Damascene, was that Anne married once. In late medieval times, legend held that Anne was married three times, first to Joachim, then to Clopas, and finally to a man named Solomas, and that each marriage produced one daughter: Mary, mother of Jesus, Mary of Clopas, and Mary Salomae, respectively.

Similarly, in the 4th century, and then much later in the 15th century, a belief arose that Mary was born of Anne by virgin birth. Those believers included the 16th century mystic Valentine Weigel who claimed Anne conceived Mary by the power of the Holy spirit. This belief was also condemned as an error by the Catholic Church in 1677. Instead, the Church teaches that Mary was conceived in the normal fashion, but that she was miraculously preserved from original sin in order to make her fit to bear Christ. The conception of Mary free from original sin is termed the Immaculate Conception -- which is frequently confused with the Virgin Birth or Incarnation of Christ.

The iconographic subject of Joachim and Anne The Meeting at the Golden Gate fitted both views, and was a regular component of artistic cycles of the "Life of the Virgin". The couple meet at the "Golden Gate" of Jerusalem and embrace. They are aware of Anne's pregnancy, of which they have been separately informed by an archangel. For those believing in the virgin birth of Mary, this moment stood for her conception, and the feast was celebrated on the same day as the Immaculate Conception. The Birth of Mary, the Presentation of Mary and the Marriage of the Virgin were usual components of cycles of the Life of the Virgin in which Anne is normally shown.

Anne is never shown as present at the Nativity of Christ, but is frequently shown with the infant Christ in various subjects. She is normally shown as present at the Presentation of Jesus at the Temple and the Circumcision of Christ. There was a tradition that she went (separately) to Egypt and rejoined the Holy Family after their Flight to Egypt. Anne is not seen with the adult Christ, so was regarded as having died during the youth of Jesus. Anne is also shown as the matriarch of the Holy Kinship, the extended family of Jesus, a popular subject in late medieval Germany. In modern devotions, Anne and her husband are used as protection for the unborn.

The feast day of Anne is 26 July (Western calendar) and 25 July (Eastern calendar).

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[katherine2001]

So Anna is mother of Mary? and Grandma of God? Mother in law to the Holy Spirit?

If Christ was truly human, then yes, Anna was His grandmother. If He wasn't truly human, then we are not saved, and Anna was not His grandmother. Are you saying that Jesus was not human? Don't you have grandmothers? Don't all humans have grandparents?

 

[simonthezealot]

If Christ was truly human, then yes, Anna was His grandmother. If He wasn't truly human, then we are not saved, and Anna was not His grandmother. Are you saying that Jesus was not human? Don't you have grandmothers? Don't all humans have grandparents?

Your questioning my view on Christs humanhood based on my little post???

Listen friend it is not my theology that says Christs true human flesh is a billion places at once, to me THAT alone denies the doctrine of the incarnation, so before you read more into something I post ya'll should consider where you stand on such issues...

 

[MamaZ]

A Person is not saved because Christ was Born all though important. A Person is saved because He died and rose from the dead.

 

[prodromos]

Your questioning my view on Christs humanhood based on my little post???

If one questions the human relationships then it follows that Christ's humanity itself might be in question. As to the "Mother in law to the Holy Spirit", I think you are confusing us with the RCC

Listen friend it is not my theology that says Christs true human flesh is a billion places at once,

Haven't you read in the Gospels the miracle of the feeding of the 5000? Isn't God everywhere present? Our God is a God of many contradictions. He is uncontainable, yet he was contained in His mothers womb. He came down to earth, yet He has never been separated from His Father in heaven. He is the Almighty God, yet He became a helpless infant. He is immortal, and yet He died. The uncreated became a part of His own creation.

to me THAT alone denies the doctrine of the incarnation, so before you read more into something I post ya'll should consider where you stand on such issues...

Your God seems to fit in a box with limits you have created. Perhaps that is not a fair statement but it is how I interpret what you've posted.

John

 

[seashale76]

A Person is not saved because Christ was Born all though important. A Person is saved because He died and rose from the dead.

A person is saved living a life in Christ's Holy Church (the body of Christ). Those who endure to the end shall be saved.

 

[simonthezealot]

Haven't you read in the Gospels the miracle of the feeding of the 5000? Isn't God everywhere present? Our God is a God of many contradictions. He is uncontainable, yet he was contained in His mothers womb. He came down to earth, yet He has never been separated from His Father in heaven. He is the Almighty God, yet He became a helpless infant. He is immortal, and yet He died. The uncreated became a part of His own creation.
Your God seems to fit in a box with limits you have created. Perhaps that is not a fair statement but it is how I interpret what you've posted.

John

Many contradictions?
For Jesus to be human He must be located in one place. This is the nature of being human. A human male does not have the ability to be omnipresent. He can only be in one place at one time. To say that Jesus in His physical form is in more than one place at a time, is to deny the incarnation. That is, it denies that Jesus is completely and totally a man -- since a man can only be it one place at one time. Therefore, to say that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ is to violate the doctrine of the incarnation by stating that Christ is physically present all over the planet as the mass is celebrated. This is a serious problem and a serious denial of the true and absolute incarnation of the Word of God as a man. God would NOT contradict truth.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Therefore, to say that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ is to violate the doctrine of the incarnation by stating that Christ is physically present all over the planet as the mass is celebrated

God can make Himself present wherever He wants to be. Therefore, Christ, as God, can make the bread and wine His Body and Blood, all over the earth when the Orthodox come to Liturgy. He is God. He can do what He wants with His Body. even though Christ had Two Natures, He is still the Second Person of the Trinity and is therefore God.

are you saying, that in His Glorified Body and as God, He can't be in the Eucharist?

 

[simonthezealot]

God can make Himself present wherever He wants to be. Therefore, Christ, as God, can make the bread and wine His Body and Blood, all over the earth when the Orthodox come to Liturgy. He is God. He can do what He wants with His Body. even though Christ had Two Natures, He is still the Second Person of the Trinity and is therefore God.

are you saying, that in His Glorified Body and as God, He can't be in the Eucharist?

Yes that is exactly what I am saying, the personhood of the HS can be present but NOT Christ himself... are you familiar with Communicatio idiomatum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicatio_idiomatum

 

[simonthezealot]

Sorry Kristos I let Katherine 2001's post sidetrack your thread...
My apologies friend.

 

[Kristos]

no problem.

 

[prodromos]

Many contradictions?
For Jesus to be human He must be located in one place. This is the nature of being human. A human male does not have the ability to be omnipresent. He can only be in one place at one time. To say that Jesus in His physical form is in more than one place at a time, is to deny the incarnation. That is, it denies that Jesus is completely and totally a man -- since a man can only be it one place at one time. Therefore, to say that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ is to violate the doctrine of the incarnation by stating that Christ is physically present all over the planet as the mass is celebrated. This is a serious problem and a serious denial of the true and absolute incarnation of the Word of God as a man. God would NOT contradict truth.

Jesus is at the right hand of His Father in heaven. Every time we celebrate the Divine Liturgy it is we who are transported to where He is, not the other way around.

John

 

[narnia59]

Many contradictions?
For Jesus to be human He must be located in one place. This is the nature of being human. A human male does not have the ability to be omnipresent. He can only be in one place at one time. To say that Jesus in His physical form is in more than one place at a time, is to deny the incarnation. That is, it denies that Jesus is completely and totally a man -- since a man can only be it one place at one time. Therefore, to say that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ is to violate the doctrine of the incarnation by stating that Christ is physically present all over the planet as the mass is celebrated. This is a serious problem and a serious denial of the true and absolute incarnation of the Word of God as a man. God would NOT contradict truth.

By your definition, is it the "nature of being human" to be able to appear and disappear, or appear in another form? Can a man do these things?

 

[narnia59]

Sorry Kristos I let Katherine 2001's post sidetrack your thread...
My apologies friend.

Oops, me too.

 

[simonthezealot]

By your definition, is it the "nature of being human" to be able to appear and disappear, or appear in another form? Can a man do these things?

Neither of us know the makeup of the glorified body, but make NO mistake it is a body, no need to quote scripture is there?

 

[simonthezealot]

Jesus is at the right hand of His Father in heaven. Every time we celebrate the Divine Liturgy it is we who are transported to where He is, not the other way around.

John

Really?
Boy i've much to learn of the church of the 7 councils...That is new to me.