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First of all I don't bring this up to start any flamefests or fights, I am solely looking for information and individual opinions.

Now with that said, I am a 24 year old who never got into the anime thing and still don't get it, some of it even kinda freaks me out. My sister however (15 yrs) loves it. She watches lots of cartoons on TV and is wanting to get into reading anime books. When we try to ask her why she likes it so much she almost gets defiant and says that it is just a cartoon and she likes watching it.

Now I grew up with Roadrunner, Coyote, Daffy, Bugs and the gang so I need to know if I should be concerned about anything. My parents already are and have asked me (the computer wiz :scratch: ) to research it for them. As far as I have seen some of the shows she watches seem to have a stong demonic undertone to them and I am getting kinda concerned.

Help me out, what do you think.
 

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The reason is cause anime tends to have themes such as fighting and stuff, while bugs bunny is not. It depends on how you want to take it really. I personally am a very strong Christian, yet I watch many animes with similar tones and don't get affected. I don't think you should be worried about it if she just watches it, but if she starts using the things she watches in real life, then that's different.
 
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i will have to agree with the above. but also know that not all anime is like this. for instance rurouni kenshin or initial d. true lots of anime is pretty dark and much of it pretty graphic and if this is affecting your sisters attitude and spiritually then maybe she shouldnt watch it. this is not to say that all anime is terrible and shouldnt be in existance.
 
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Well, Harvey Comics had Hot Stuff and Wendy the Witch, not to mention Casper, so they're at least as demonic as some Japanese anime. Ditto Archie's Sabrina.

Anime is a style, not a genre. It's like any animation style, or any live action style, for that matter. Some of the stuff is Definintely Not For Kids, others are borderline depending on the child, others are fine.

On the whole, stuff that appears on Fox and Cartoon Network (outside of their Adult Swim block) are relatively benign. If your family objects to any references to magic and you won't watch reruns of BEWITCHED or I DREAM OF JEANIE, then you won't like any magic oriented anime.
 
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Ghost23 said:
this is not to say that all anime is terrible and shouldnt be in existance.
And I am in now way saying that it is all "bad". I am just wanting clarification on a topic I don't understand.

I am also going to post this topic in another forum here to get maybe a different side of the argument as to be able to make an informed opinion.
 
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Ghost23 said:
true lots of anime is pretty dark and much of it pretty graphic and if this is affecting your sisters attitude and spiritually then maybe she shouldnt watch it. this is not to say that all anime is terrible and shouldnt be in existance.

There's a need of discernment. Japanese animation is seen as an art-form out in the Far East. Which means the animation isn't just meant "just for kids" like it is in the West. It's like any other form of entertainment which may or may not be suitable for watching.
 
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I watch anime,and it really depends on how you take it like sky says.I usually only watch the ones on WB or Cartoon Network.It isn't bad,some parents don't let thier kids watch anime because of some thing of magic or somethign another,but let them watch cartoon versions of "Sabrina the Teenage Witch"and among other shows that have magic on Disney and Nickelodeon.Yu Yu Hakusho is an anime with demons in it.That doesn't make it bad,not one bit.the Bible mentions demons,and the kids in Yu Yu Hakusho are just out to rid the real world of demons.Yu-Gi-Oh! another ridiculed anime,is not bad either.Sure,it has magic in it,but only the bad guys use it.And,the magic in the cards is just,a card game.Why ridicule something for that?Poke'mon is ridiculed as well,because of the attacks they use,parents think it's magic.It states in the first episode that"Poke'mon atre mystical beings which we do not now much about.Some people collect poke'mon.Others use them to battle other Trainers poke'mon with thier ABILITIES"this is said by Professor Oak in the opening.The evolving bit,is basically poke'mon becoming stronger and slightly,if not alot,changing thier apperance.That doesn't mean I'm gonna over throw my belieafs as a Christian because of this,infact,they just classified it as evolving.In our world,evolving is the changing of a creature or animal over time,in POKe'MON,it's more like 2-3 minutes.I don't even look at it as evolving,Ruroni Kenshin is not bad of an anime either,because it looks at the events that happened in age-old Japan.


Thats my opinion.
 
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One thing to take note of is the culture difference. Many anime series do make use of figures from Japanese folklore and mythology, and in that case I'd have no clue how accurately those are presented (although I would assume it would be accurate, considering the source), but it's *usually* just there for flavoring, kind of like how some church-related activities are displayed in the background of a story on American TV.

Although, when it comes to Western religion, I've found that the portrayal of it in anime is kind of strange. The creators of these series usually don't have a firm grasp on what certain Western symbols mean and often will throw them in for flavoring (occasionally they'll get it right, though). A good example of this are the pentagrams that will show up from time to time. In anime this is basically just used for flavoring, and 9/10 is not presented as being a symbol of evil, because there's a misconception afoot about what the symbol actually means. Only one series that I've seen, X (which I would not recommend to just any 15-year-old for a couple of reasons, considering it's rated R), actually makes proper usage of the two different variations of the pentagram (this is harking back to medieval times, when the only evil pentagram was the inverted one). Crosses will also sometimes show up, such as in Neon Genesis Evangelion (which also has a large amount of Judeo-Christian imagery), but in the case of that series it's used for flavoring, not to hide some deeper meaning. Evangelion is actually one of the most highly-acclaimed anime series. The cross imagery is important, though, considering that apparently there is evidence of crucifictions taking place in Japan for many centuries, so that can be part of Eastern culture as well.

Most series, however, stay completely neutral when it comes to these things. Even a series like Oh My Goddess! is completely harmless, and is very inoffensive (the creator wasn't aware of the pun that could be made in English; the literal translation is 'Ah!' not 'Oh'). Most just deal with romantic issues, or have some level of mild to moderate violence; certainly not dismemberment and other graphic types (those that do are rated 17+ or 18+). Likewise, it is likely to sometimes have mild to moderate sexual tension displayed, but out-and-out sex is restricted to the Hentai section (hentai is the accepted term for anime porn). Nudity is viewed a little differently in Japan, and sometimes can show up in programs for younger teens, but is usually a comic device, not a sexual one (such as in Ranma ½; this is actually one that I could safely recommend to a 15-year-old). Any sort of sexual plot device in a 13+ anime deals with no sort of nudity, as far as my experience is concerned.

Now, just because an anime has a 17+ rating on it, does not mean it automatically has sexual situations and violence and other objectionable material in it. Sometimes this is because of psychological issues that are present. Most of the 13+ and 15+ anime is at PG-13 level, and some 17+ anime are PG-13 like also (most 17+ are more along the lines of a mild R rating, though). You'll find these ratings on the back of most anime DVDs or in individual program reviews on most websites. Many of the romantic comedies, for example, have very good messages, but because of the more mature subject matter, and occasional fanservice (short skirts, low-cut blouses, etc.), those are usually 17+ area, although they aren't anywhere near deserving of an R rating (most likely they'd probably deserve PG-13).

shadow1230 said:
Yu Yu Hakusho is an anime with demons in it.That doesn't make it bad,not one bit.the Bible mentions demons,and the kids in Yu Yu Hakusho are just out to rid the real world of demons.
It's a good thing you brought up the demon thing, I almost forgot about that. In Japan, the term 'demon' is applied to any supernatural creature, good or bad. In an anime such as Inuyasha, the main character is a half-demon, and the plotline centers around that kind of distinction. While in many series the term demon is applied fairly closely to the Western application of it, the traditional view of the word is just any being of supernatural origin.

Inuyasha is actually another pretty harmless series, save for a little blood (no gore, though), and some mild language. It runs on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim program block - the actual viewing audience for the Adult Swim block is the 14 or 15 and up demographic, so don't let the name get to you.

night2day said:
There's a need of discernment. Japanese animation is seen as an art-form out in the Far East. Which means the animation isn't just meant "just for kids" like it is in the West. It's like any other form of entertainment which may or may not be suitable for watching.
Very well put.

All in all, the major thing to look at is like programs on broadcast or basic cable TV (not HBO, etc, although Showtime Beyond or Showtime Next [I can't remember which] does show a few anime series last I checked). Some are okay, some aren't, and some you're just plain not interested in.
 
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Clayman said:
First of all I don't bring this up to start any flamefests or fights, I am solely looking for information and individual opinions.

Now with that said, I am a 24 year old who never got into the anime thing and still don't get it, some of it even kinda freaks me out. My sister however (15 yrs) loves it. She watches lots of cartoons on TV and is wanting to get into reading anime books. When we try to ask her why she likes it so much she almost gets defiant and says that it is just a cartoon and she likes watching it.

Now I grew up with Roadrunner, Coyote, Daffy, Bugs and the gang so I need to know if I should be concerned about anything. My parents already are and have asked me (the computer wiz :scratch: ) to research it for them. As far as I have seen some of the shows she watches seem to have a stong demonic undertone to them and I am getting kinda concerned.

Help me out, what do you think.


You don't need any help. You just be who you are. Anime and manga will apeal to some than others. :)
 
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Qyöt27 said:
The creators of these series usually don't have a firm grasp on what certain Western symbols mean and often will throw them in for flavoring (occasionally they'll get it right, though). A good example of this are the pentagrams that will show up from time to time...the only evil pentagram was the inverted one).

Within the past, the five pointed star had been used as a Christian symbol and may be found on older churches in Europe. Occult-wise, the point up is in reference to Wicca and other Earth-based religions while the point down was satanic.

I've seen the 6-pointed star (somewhat akin to to the Star of David, only with a circle) occasion such as on Silent Mobius. I assume they're related to the mystical elements of the programs.


Most series, however, stay completely neutral when it comes to these things.

Eh...I wouldn't say neutral per say. Many of the animations do draw from Japanese culture and myth. Which is only to be expected considering. After looking up some information on Japanese folklore on the net I kind of got the idea where some of the ideas for the series come from.

Inuyasha is actually another pretty harmless series, save for a little blood (no gore, though), and some mild language.

Inuyasha was one of the series which reminded me of the of the ghost stories and folklore I read of. I like Inuyasha. But, I can't say it's harmless. Some of the imagery it presents can be rather disturbing just by their implications. But then again, it's a product of Japanese culture so---.
 
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Eh...I wouldn't say neutral per say. Many of the animations do draw from Japanese culture and myth. Which is only to be expected considering. After looking up some information on Japanese folklore on the net I kind of got the idea where some of the ideas for the series come from.

Inuyasha was one of the series which reminded me of the of the ghost stories and folklore I read of. I like Inuyasha. But, I can't say it's harmless. Some of the imagery it presents can be rather disturbing just by their implications. But then again, it's a product of Japanese culture so---.
I guess with the issue of it staying 'neutral' or being harmless, it's more or less up to the judgment of the individual. I find nothing harmful or evil in folklore or folklore-based stories, whether it's from Japanese culture, or any other for that matter. To me, they are neutral and harmless, but to others it may not be.

I would actively consider something that heavily deals in religious imagery non-neutral, such as Evangelion or Hellsing (which both coincidentally deal heavily with Judeo-Christian imagery), but in the case of Inuyasha or any other series that simply incorporates imagery based on an coincidal basis (like cherry blossom festival episodes, for example) or deals with immersion in folklore, it's not promoting anything, really. I would consider something as non-neutral if it dealt with very religious circumstances or very strong religious meaning. Granted, Eva wasn't going for religious meaning, but psychological meaning, but it certainly doesn't give that impression to someone who watches it without really thinking (unless they got ahold of one of the filler episodes or the final two installments of the series).

I guess I make my division on it more on the basis of whether I think the creators are going out of their way to show the viewer religion or if any religious elements or folklore are just simply used as background for a single episode's plot device or a routine thing someone would do without a second thought, like I said before with the point that some American TV will show church activities from time to time and most people just take that in stride and don't find it strange. They aren't trying to show people religion, and it's accepted because it's the norm here. If a show goes out of it's way to focus on religious issues, such as Joan of Arcadia or Touched by an Angel, I can understand.

The issue of being harmless is more or less based on what the individual's own thresholds are. What may be bad for one person to watch can be perfectly fine for another, and with anime it really is based on individual convictions, just as it is when viewing television or movies in one's own native country. Some people find Friends hilarious, while others think Friends is trash and that the Simpsons is the funniest thing they've ever seen. Some might have reservations about Underworld but flock into theatres to see Van Helsing. This might be about how the themes convict them religiously, or it could be about the violence or language.

I probably should have explained in my first post what exactly I meant by saying certain shows were 'neutral' or harmless. Sorry about that.
 
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Animerulz400 said:
well just say you don't like it. Be honest.
I feel that would be wrong for me to do. I have told them that I don't like it personally but I am being asked to tell them if it is appropriate to watch and since I know nothing about it I am researching it.
 
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Just tell them that it's like any form of TV or movies. There's nothing inherent in anime that makes it good or bad, since every series and every movie is different. Just because it's not "normal" or "common" here (despite the fact that it's rapidly becoming so, due to less cultural interference that says anything from Japan is bad if it isn't cars or Godzilla - and even that's up for debate among some people). There's really nothing to worry about, and chances are your sister already knows what limits she has and what she feels comfortable and what is acceptable to be watching. In my experiences with this, a person generally doesn't watch an anime series that is radically different from TV shows they normally watch or would like to watch that are native to their own country. A person's taste in programming doesn't alter itself just because it's anime, although something like an action show or a romantic comedy may be more appealing than it was before because of a deeper plotline and because the person appreciates the quality of the animation.

Anime is just simply much closer to being a prime-time sitcom or drama or action show than it is to being a children's cartoon. The same type of discretion used to determine what you can watch on local or basic cable TV is the same when dealing with anime series - series by series analysis is best, but the offensive content that occupies a small portion of the anime market is kept out of the hands of anybody who isn't legally old enough to purchase it (hentai and other 18+ materials are almost never displayed on store shelves, save for a chain like FYE), so most of the anime released on DVD and available in stores like Best Buy or Suncoast Motion Picture Company are going to be appropriate for a 15-year-old to watch, and for the ones that aren't (despite being readily available), she probably won't watch them or will wait a while to view them.

Just tell them to treat it like any other program on TV; the fact it's animated or comes from Japan is no need to worry about it. There are many appropriate series out there. In fact, this is a resource that may help: http://www.abcb.com/parents/ . They do stress that it is ultimately up to the parents to determine whether a series is ok for viewing, but the lists and reviews are really solid in terms of their ability to assess a series properly. Some of the reviews are also several years old, while certain series were still in their original Japanese release, and may have later been edited for American audiences (although this is usually a rare case).
 
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Qyöt27 said:
I guess with the issue of it staying 'neutral' or being harmless, it's more or less up to the judgment of the individual. I find nothing harmful or evil in folklore or folklore-based stories, whether it's from Japanese culture, or any other for that matter. To me, they are neutral and harmless, but to others it may not be.

Well...I wasn't exactly meaning it within that way. To use an example, I'll take the Inuyasha series. Several concepts, when one thinks on it, seems too disturbing. Within the first three episodes for example there were demon ravens said to burrow and makes nests within the dead and control the corpses. I guess when I think of "harmless" I consider "Rated-G". Of course, Inuyasha happens to be on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim too. I like the series. But, I can understand why young children could get nightmares from it.

I would consider something as non-neutral if it dealt with very religious circumstances or very strong religious meaning. Granted, Eva wasn't going for religious meaning, but psychological meaning, but it certainly doesn't give that impression to someone who watches it without really thinking (unless they got ahold of one of the filler episodes or the final two installments of the series).

I guess I can't consider a series non-neutral if it uses religious elements which go out of their way to belittle another. Evangelion's many symbolisms is actually drawn from the Judaic Mystical Kabbalah. (In fact, the opening credits display three different versions of the "Tree of Life".) However, the "Christian" elements within Evangelion are far from orthodox, yet some watching the series may not be able to discern it has nothing to do with Christianity.

Kenshin's a historical anime. Showing a time, place, and culture for what it was is one thing. I read some of what took place within the "Christian Arc" of the series and can understand why fans found it unpopular. From what I understand, the story-line for that arc was taken from actual events which happened within an earlier century (if memory serves right). Yet, the arc went out of it's way to place Japanese Christians in the story within a bad light as attempted conquerors as I understand it. While historically the Japanese government slaughtered the Christians for simply for being Christians. Possibly it was a way for the producers to portray to show how the "West" was corrupting the the "East". The show was set in a time when Japan was opening up to foreigners. Still, it could have been handled differently.

...some American TV will show church activities from time to time and most people just take that in stride and don't find it strange. They aren't trying to show people religion, and it's accepted because it's the norm here. If a show goes out of it's way to focus on religious issues, such as Joan of Arcadia or Touched by an Angel, I can understand.

I see what you're saying: Background and culture vs the premise and the storyline's theme.

The issue of being harmless is more or less based on what the individual's own thresholds are. What may be bad for one person to watch can be perfectly fine for another, and with anime it really is based on individual convictions...

I agree. I also realize one country may be more restrained as to what it feels it appropriate for what age group than another. Why we in the U.S. have rating system while other countries have their own. Unfortunately, some of the rating systems need to be revamped as some of the PGs should be PG-13s and some of the PG-13s should be R, IMHO.
 
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