I saw my dog crying when he knew he was dying, it was so hard. I seen animals suffer so much pain because humans think they are more important. We are all equal.
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I've been trying to think of how I believe that animals exist spiritually. I do believe they will be there when we die but I just think they will have a different "status" in Heaven. Meaning they aren't intelligent enough to "sin" or not so don't have to worry about salvation or anything like that. Just my thoughts!Marmaladegirl22 said:
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chipmunk
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I believe all living things have a spirit and soul. I also feel the earth contains a soul and spirit.
I personally don't see myself above any living thing--plant or animal. I still eat both though, and I think in the end their spirits and souls will understand. Our bodies die and provide the nutrients for plants, they and animals die to provide the nutrients I need for survival. All in the end is returned to earth which sustains us all. Life is sacred and should be respected.
That is just my beliefs though. They really aren't up for debate as you aren't going to change my mind about it.
I personally don't see myself above any living thing--plant or animal. I still eat both though, and I think in the end their spirits and souls will understand. Our bodies die and provide the nutrients for plants, they and animals die to provide the nutrients I need for survival. All in the end is returned to earth which sustains us all. Life is sacred and should be respected.
That is just my beliefs though. They really aren't up for debate as you aren't going to change my mind about it.
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TheSensitive1 said:Hi there, I just have a quick question though. I have noticed that animals have personalities. Lets take my brothers old dog for an example. When I lecture his dog for being bad that dog would give me a look (like a little kid) and turn away of shame. The look that his dog would give me is a look of shame. SHe KNEW that I was good to her. Then there is my co-workers cats...OH WOW do they have personalities.
my point is that these animals do feel pain emotionally. I remember seeing a document about a cat who was Left behind in the mid-west as this one family moved to CA. what did the cat do found it's way to the family in CA over 2K miles.
I just find it hard to beleive that an animal will NOT go to heaven.
I agree with your observations..however, these are traits of having a soul, not a spirit.
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I think the hard part for many people to accept is an easy route to Heaven for anyone/anything. The idea that an animal does not have to jump through hoops to get there may be aggravating to some?
Not sure why people can't accept the idea of animals having immortal souls. I even quoted a bible passage earlier, but just didn't take.
Oh well.
Not sure why people can't accept the idea of animals having immortal souls. I even quoted a bible passage earlier, but just didn't take.
Oh well.
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I don't believe animals have souls. Believe me, I would love to think they do!
Souls are subject to judgement. How is an animal able to obtain salvation? Does the pitbull down the street who just mauled a young child go to hell because it's bad? Does Fido go to heaven because he's a good boy? Animals do not have the mental capacity to understand God, Christ, salvation, etc. This is what makes animals differ from man.
Souls are subject to judgement. How is an animal able to obtain salvation? Does the pitbull down the street who just mauled a young child go to hell because it's bad? Does Fido go to heaven because he's a good boy? Animals do not have the mental capacity to understand God, Christ, salvation, etc. This is what makes animals differ from man.
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Oblivious said:
I've always found the reasoning that "they don't have the mental capacity" to be an interesting one. My younger sister is mentally retarded. At 22 she's around 6 academically and has no real potential to improve upon that. She's not alone in the human world, some of her school mates won't even be able to acheive what she has. What role does "mental capacity" play in whether one can recieve salvation?
Where do apes play in? Some have been able to achieve a vocabulary of over 2000 words (via sign language). Some are as smart as a small child.
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chipmunk said:
I'm not comfortable comparing your sister (and I'm sorry about her BTW) with an animal. If you are then that's fine. Perhaps mental capacity was a poor choice as an example. I think God deals with those like your sister, very young children, and babies in His own way.
I think that goes without saying.If animals have a soul - then what determines which animals goes to heaven and don't? And do all beings (bug included) have souls then?
God gave us animals for several purposes - companionship and food source are the first 2 to come to mind. I don't understand how God could give us something that has a soul as a food source?
Notice how we don't eat other humans...why is that?Anyway, I have one of the most "human" dogs you will ever meet. He has more emotions and love then most people I know. But emotions and love don't = a soul. I hate to say this, but I think alot of it is just instinctive with his breed.
Anyway, I'm kind of rambling but just wanted to share some more of my thoughts on the subject. This is definitely an interesting thread.
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I think the problem with most people is they don't want to accept that something they don't understand might have a soul. Animals are alot smarter then we give them credit for. Just because they can't accept Jesus doesn't make them dumb. Dogs are one of the very few smart animals, they actually save people. Dolphins are even rumor to be smarter then humans. But of course we are going to go around thinking they aren't smart and have no soul, we don't understand them. I bet they don't understand us either. Animals have their own way of speaking. I think the really good animals go to heaven., and the evil ones die. I think animals will go to heaven because have the people who have pets won't go to heaven without them. You don't think it will matter, I truly think it will. We never lose who we really are even in heaven.
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chipmunk
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Oh, I guess I'm one of those people that doesn't think it is denigrating to compare people to animals.
I believe the same being that determines where we go after death is more than capable of determining where animals go. In my personal belief ALL living things have souls/spirits. To me this means brown recluses, roses, slugs, amoebas, water bears, and the mold that grows on my bread if I don't eat it.
Well, there are a number of health reasons involved in us not eating our own kind (this seems to be common among mammals). Life sustains more life through it's death. Our death (even with souls) will help to make more nutritious ground for many plants to feed from. It's all cyclical to me. Some of us (living things) just have to kill and some (plants, except carnivorous ones) may wait for us to die. Our bodies in death will feed many micro-organisms.
I believe the same being that determines where we go after death is more than capable of determining where animals go. In my personal belief ALL living things have souls/spirits. To me this means brown recluses, roses, slugs, amoebas, water bears, and the mold that grows on my bread if I don't eat it.
Well, there are a number of health reasons involved in us not eating our own kind (this seems to be common among mammals). Life sustains more life through it's death. Our death (even with souls) will help to make more nutritious ground for many plants to feed from. It's all cyclical to me. Some of us (living things) just have to kill and some (plants, except carnivorous ones) may wait for us to die. Our bodies in death will feed many micro-organisms.
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