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[ahab]

. http://www.nhepiscopal.org/artman/p...ticle_230.shtml

Yeah thats not the point. All have indeed been accpeted by Christ on the cross but not to live in the sin Christ has paid the price for. Its all very well Archbishop Tutu calling on Anglicans who confront Robinson to accept him when he makes no attempt to confront Robinson to accept the Pope's ideas when Robinson confronts the Pope.
And this is the most ridiculous statement, archbishop or no archbishop.

God must look on and God must weep.”

The scriptures make it quite clear that what Robsinon has done and is saying is what makes God weep! Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Cor 5-7, 1 Tim, Rom 1 2 Peter 2, Jude, Heb 13, Eph 5, Matt 15, Mark 7, Acts 15, 21, Rom 13, 1 Cor 10, Gal 5, Eph 5, Col 3, 1 Thes 4, Rev 2, 9.

If the wilful preaching os sexual immorality is a barrier to the Kingdom, 1 Cor 6, Rev 21, then God may well be weeping.

And enough is enough. If people want sex there is nothing stopping them.

peace

 

[loriersea]

The scriptures make it quite clear that what Robsinon has done and is saying is what makes God weep! Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Cor 5-7, 1 Tim, Rom 1 2 Peter 2, Jude, Heb 13, Eph 5, Matt 15, Mark 7, Acts 15, 21, Rom 13, 1 Cor 10, Gal 5, Eph 5, Col 3, 1 Thes 4, Rev 2, 9.

First of all, many of those quotes have nothing to do with same-sex relationships. For example, if you think it is simply self-evident that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about punishment for homosexuality, then you obviously haven't bothered to look very far into this issue. I suppose God considers offering your virgin daughters up to an angry mob is something NOT to weep at? Second of all, I suppose we could say that God is weeping when a couple has sex while the woman is having her period, but few of us think that. Third of all, I am deeply saddened to see how many people believe that their will and God's will are one and the same.

 

[ahab]

Hi Finella,

Once again no scriptural citations.

Too true. It's not that unity prevails over theology. It's that the theology calls for unity in the most important Christian principles -- love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. That's simplified, but the jist of it.

Too wrong!. The theology that call for unity calls for unity in Christ. Christ says that we remain in Him when we obey! This is the theology that recognises the law of Christ, to help restore a brother from sin.

John 17:23 “I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.” Rom 15:5 “May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus,”

Col 3..The scripture that says “And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. “ also says “Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.” And also says “Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. “ It’s the same passage that says Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them” Not to leave a wife and sex a same-sex partner

Unfortunately it seems some are bent on fracturing the communion -- it seems to emerge out of a human need for power and control. I don't know, it may need to happen. Perhaps this will be the birth of a new kind of church, a new view of Christ in our age.

Yes perhaps this new sex view of Christ is the antichrist. 1 John 2 those who deny the truth who is Christ.


peace

 

[ahab]

Hi loriersea,

First of all discussions about same-sex sex and homosexulaity are not allowed in this forum section. So pie in the sky unsupported imaginations like you gave dont help.

Secondly one must give citations even on the threads it is allowed and you havent! I’m not interested in your opinion of my examples unless you can give me some examples to support what you are proposing in a section that allows it. Take it from me in the meantime that the teaching of the Anglcian Communion is Lambeth 1.10.

Second of all, I suppose we could say that God is weeping when a couple has sex while the woman is having her period, but few of us think that.

I don’t and no-one seems to be promoting it so start a new thread if you want to discuss that

Third of all, I am deeply saddened to see how many people believe that their will and God's will are one and the same.

And if you haven’t got the Jesus that’s recorded in the Bible let me encourage you to seek Him, your joy and peace will be complete



Peace

 

[PaladinValer]

Once again, the "Global South" doesn't seem to realize the essence of the Anglican Church:

1. We're an autocephalousy
2. Lambeth issues guidelines

ahab, that IS the jist of it. Any denial of the Two Great Commandments is a denial of Jesus Christ.

The "Global South" once again thumbs its nose with all its buggers inside of it. Its plank needs to be taken out before they can Scripturally discuss the speck in the rest.

 

[Inside Edge]

Advice for ahab:

If you haven’t got the Jesus that’s recorded in the Bible let me encourage you to seek Him, your joy and peace will be complete

 

[ahab]

Hi PaladinValer,

Once again, the "Global South" doesn't seem to realize the essence of the Anglican Church:

They are increasingly the essence of the Anglcian Church.

1. We're an autocephalousy

And thats one of the reasons.. 'We' as in ECUSA as opposed to all of the communion.

2. Lambeth issues guidelines

so does the autocephalousy

ahab, that IS the jist of it. Any denial of the Two Great Commandments is a denial of Jesus Christ.

and that is exactly what the Global south is saying. To compromise loving God for man's desires is to break the first and greatest commandment.

The "Global South" once again thumbs its nose with all its buggers inside of it. Its plank needs to be taken out before they can Scripturally discuss the speck in the rest.

Scripturally over the issue the Global South have a basis, the ECUSA does not. And the Global south must not judge the ECUSA people Rom 2, because the Global South people are also sinners and do the same things as in Rom 1. But if you are saying the ECUSA people dont do the same things as in Rom 1 I guess you are free to judge, but perhaps also worth considering 1 John 1:10 "If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." or 1 John 2:4 "The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

peace

 

[Inside Edge]

I don’t and no-one seems to be promoting it so start a new thread if you want to discuss that

Ah yes - instead of addressing the point, try to ignore it and push it off to another thread.

 

[ahab]

Hi Inside Edge,

Advice for ahab:

Quote

If you haven’t got the Jesus that’s recorded in the Bible let me encourage you to seek Him, your joy and peace will be complete

I was speaking from experience and with thansk in my heart for what Jesus has done for me. My real joy and peace hope is found in Christ alone.

peace

 

[Inside Edge]

I don’t and no-one seems to be promoting it so start a new thread if you want to discuss that

Ah yes - instead of addressing the point, try to ignore it and push it off to another thread.

Yes perhaps this new sex view of Christ is the antichrist. 1 John 2 those who deny the truth who is Christ.

Wonderful. Those who don't adhere to your view are posited as the anti-christ (or followers thereof). Somebody put their hate-hat on this morning....

 

[Inside Edge]

I was speaking from experience and with thansk in my heart for what Jesus has done for me.

Of course you were.

And of course, lorisea or Finella couldn't possibly be, right?

 

[ahab]

Hi Inside Edge,

Ah yes - instead of addressing the point, try to ignore it and push it off to another thread.

Can you show me any citations about that Lev 18:19 to do with these "front page issues" of the thread?


peace

 

[ahab]

I think one ought to recognise that Archbishop Tutu says that Jesus embraces all and I think we have to acknowledge that. I am a bit concerned with his reported comments "All belong. Gay, lesbian, so-called straight."
So called what? Those who do not believe either Jesus teaching or the scriptures refer to sexuality would not say so-called gay lesbian or straight. Archbishop Tutu's reported comment seems to suggest he knows what gay and lesbain is but not what 'so called' straight is. Well he's the one who should know as hes the one talking about a 'so called' category of difference.
What we also ought to point out is that Jesus teaching tells His disciples to love all people, the brother and the pagan. Matt 18, 1 Cor 5, 1 Peter 4. The issue therefore is that disciples are those who know who the brother and who the pagan is. The scriptures indicate that those who are living out an unrepentant promotion and celebration of sexually immmoral are doing what the pagans have always done. This is why its such a big issue in the church, Jesus for example was never a bishop or nobel peace prize winner.

peace

 

[karen freeinchristman]

I'm not a psychiatrist, but the gay people I've known have always been adamant that their sexuality is something they are born with. I think this is why Archbishop Tutu said 'so-called' straights - because the fact that homosexual people are labelled 'straight' implies that gays are 'crooked' or 'bent' (deviant). Perhaps the Archbishop is simply trying to acknowledge the fact that some people are born gay, and being born that way means that it is not a deviation. I don't know for sure, as I'm not an expert in this very complicated field, and I have only known a handful of gay people.

 

[ahab]

Hi ebia,

If Windsor or any other church report really implied that one should not challenge injustice wherever you see it, then the church that produced such a report has completely lost the plot.

But Windsor does challenge injustice in upholding Lambeth 1.10 and God purpose for His people in faithful marriage for a man and a woman or celibacy. Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, Heb 13, 1 Cor 5-7. Remember that Jesus proclaims justice to the nations Matt 18 and to set the captives free. Even the Pharisees neglected these more important matters of the law, justice love and mercy Matt 23. God demonstrated His justice through Jesus Rom 3.

Peace

 

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