Anglican view on End Times (particularly Israel)

[MurphreeJ]

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

God's Peace.

 

[Yardstick]

Drive by scripture quotes are usually unhelpful and in bad form. Could you elaborate on the point you are trying to make?

 

[MurphreeJ]

Sure.. and I respectfully disagree with the notion that Holy Scripture is ever in bad form.

My point as indicated by the added emphasis is that we should try to remember that we are Christians first and should not partake in envying, strife, or encourage division as per the command of The Lord. Healthy debate of issues can be productive, however devolution into the aforementioned ills is neither productive nor Christian.

The overall tone of this topic has turned (in my opinion) towards such, and I would hope that we would all accord ourselves with Love even when we disagree.

May God's peace be upon you.

 

[Yardstick]

Holy Scripture isn't in bad form but simply pasting an exert from it without context or any sort of discussion certainly is. In any case the tone in the thread seems pretty even handed to me; I don't think expecting the rules of the community to be followed are particularly divisive, especially when the topic of the thread is about the Anglican view.

 

[John Shrewsbury]

Seriously?

Just because someone goes to an Anglican church doesn't mean they are Anglican. If they haven't joined the church, or do not identify as Anglican they can be anything they want.

There is a couple at my Anglo Catholic Anglican church who still identify themselves as Methodist, but who prefer our traditional liturgy.

 

[Liberasit]

Just because someone goes to an Anglican church doesn't mean they are Anglican. If they haven't joined the church, or do not identify as Anglican they can be anything they want.

There is a couple at my Anglo Catholic Anglican church who still identify themselves as Methodist, but who prefer our traditional liturgy.

The Poster in question said that they were a member of an Anglican Church.

The standard for church membership in England is to live in the parish or habitually worship in that fellowship for a period of six months or more.

 

[John Shrewsbury]

The Poster in question said that they were a member of an Anglican Church.

The standard for church membership in England is to live in the parish or habitually worship in that fellowship for a period of six months or more.

I know that, but I was making the point that just because someone goes to an Anglican church doesn't make them an Anglican (at least in their own head).

 

[Inkfingers]

The Poster in question said that they were a member of an Anglican Church.

The standard for church membership in England is to live in the parish or habitually worship in that fellowship for a period of six months or more.

Whilst your point has a degree of validity to it (such is the problem with an institutionalised Church such as the CofE, especially one that seeks to be "broad") these sub-boards are about specific theologies and we really should not harangue people in their own home sub-forums....

....no matter how tempting it may be

 

[Liberasit]

Whilst your point has a degree of validity to it (such is the problem with an institutionalised Church such as the CofE, especially one that seeks to be "broad") these sub-boards are about specific theologies and we really should not harangue people in their own home sub-forums....

....no matter how tempting it may be

Christian Forums is an imperfect place. Perhaps it would be beneficial to have two faith icons - on for denomination, and the other for churchmanship.

I know when I joined, I thought seriously between selecting Protestant or
Anglican. It would be nice of be able to do both in some way.

There are members on this forum who are welcome, even though they sport badges of other denominations, and are even allowed to "debate".

 

[Albion]

There are members on this forum who are welcome, even though they sport badges of other denominations, and are even allowed to "debate".

That shows only our generosity as Anglicans, since other forums wouldn't be so open as that. However, it doesn't have anything to do with the point here. The faith icon is what determines one's home forum and we all know that. If you choose not to identify as an Anglican, you have no actual right to debate here, no matter what you write in your posts about liking Anglicanism, occasionally attending an Anglican worship service, or anything of the sort.

I, too, did for awhile use a Protestant icon (because I was getting sick of always being attacked by Roman Catholics with the "Henry VIII wanted a divorce and so created a new church" line whenever they were on the losing end of any other debate)...but I always understood that I had surrendered by entitlement to debate here in so doing. What's more, there are several forums for charismatic Christians on CF, so it's not as though charismatic Anglicans would otherwise have no place .

 

[PaladinValer]

The Statement of Purpose here is quite clear on the subject: theology that goes against Anglican/Old Catholic theology may not be promoted. Even if a person truly is a "member" of a constituent church that can rightly call STR its home doesn't have the right to blatantly post theology which is contrary.

A Roman Catholic posting "the Pope has no final authority" is in violation of OBOB rules despite being technically a member of OBOB. Why? Because the theology being promoted is absolutely contrary to official doctrine.

So claiming "I attend an Anglican church" means absolutely nothing. Disagreement is illogical and simply plain wrong. And equally so would be a member who abuses his or her membership to post blatantly incorrect theology. Both are bad form.

 

[Liberasit]

The Statement of Purpose here is quite clear on the subject: theology that goes against Anglican/Old Catholic theology may not be promoted. Even if a person truly is a "member" of a constituent church that can rightly call STR its home doesn't have the right to blatantly post theology which is contrary.

A Roman Catholic posting "the Pope has no final authority" is in violation of OBOB rules despite being technically a member of OBOB. Why? Because the theology being promoted is absolutely contrary to official doctrine.

So claiming "I attend an Anglican church" means absolutely nothing. Disagreement is illogical and simply plain wrong. And equally so would be a member who abuses his or her membership to post blatantly incorrect theology. Both are bad form.

Theology that goes against PV's narrow interpretation/experience....

 

[PaladinValer]

Theology that goes against PV's narrow interpretation/experience....

Ad hominem as always.

 

[Liberasit]

Ad hominem as always.

No straw man? Gutted.

 

[PurpleRabbit187]

The secular state of Israel has nothing to do with the one in the bible. The Anglican church and some of its priests in S.Africa are very supportive of the Palestinian people

 

[Albion]

The secular state of Israel has nothing to do with the one in the bible. The Anglican church and some of its priests in S.Africa are very supportive of the Palestinian people

Not the original and oldest Anglican Church ithere (CESA), I'll bet.

 

[PurpleRabbit187]

The Church of the Province of South Africa, thank you. Hardly anyone knows about them, thank goodness we did part ways. Grape juice instead of wine?! (oh what a nightmare!!!)