Angels Appear

[SUNSTONE]

Originally posted by Reformationist
I'm not sure what you mean by pumped up but I don't need to see an angel, either fallen or not, to have faith in God. 



Maybe he was talking about his god, i.e., satan.  I don't really know.  It's not that I don't believe you.  I just think people, very often, attribute things to supernatural spiritual beings like angels because that's what they want to see so they fail to take into account the reality of things.  I'm not saying that's what your pastor did.  I'm just saying that I have known people who think every shadow they see is filled with demons because the hair on the back of their neck stands up.

God bless

I didn't say faith, what I mean is get excited. Like those who wait on the Lord will have there strength renewed kind of pumped up.

I know what you mean about "hair on the back of their neck stands up". I gave a sermon the other day about when God talks to you and when the devil talks to you, and when its just your own thoughts.The devil sometime trys to mimic God when he talks to you, so as to try and trick you.

But as far as Pastor Dan is concerned there is only two possibilitys.

1. He is either lieing.

2. He is telling the truth that he saw something supernatural.

 

 

[SUNSTONE]

I just remembered Joyce Myers story of angels.Now she didn't see them herself, and I don't know if she has ever seen one.


Well one day a lady was going to a conference of JM, and she really wanted her unsaved husband to go. She finally convienced him to go, and while they were listening to her speak she turned to her husband and saw tears rolling down her face. He told her why he was crying and this is what he said.

JM was coming out on stage wearing a white outfit that was loaded with stones all over it in a design. Behind her were this beings, that looked human and formed a half circle. I don't know how many there. Each one of them were wearing an outfit that looked liked JM's. And in there hands were long two edged swords.

The mans wife didn't see them, but he did.

 

[Apologist]

Sorry brethren but I don't buy most of these stories as I see some real theological problems with this.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Originally posted by Apologist
Sorry brethren but I don't buy most of these stories as I see some real theological problems with this.

Do tell.

Which ones do you buy and which ones you don't? And what are the theological problems that you have?

 

[sbbqb7n16]

Originally posted by Reformationist
Is there a possibility that he was a "fallen angel?"  You know, like a demon.

God bless

Well think: why would a fallen angel encourage people to get back on track for God and prepare for His coming? wouldn't an enemy of the Lord try and get people to postpone getting ready? After all Christ says that good servants prepare for His coming (Matthew 24)

Just as a side note: I know of great angel stories that anyone can read. They can EASILY be found in... Daniel, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Revelation, Genesis, Exodus, Judges, Hebrews (a lot).... do I need to go on? The Bible has a bunch of cool encounters with angels and then says in Hebrews 13:2 as someone eariler pointed out, that some have entertained angels unknowingly. You can't entertain something that doesn't exist, and you can't entertain something that is not here on earth at some point. Just thoughts Have a great day!

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16
Well think: why would a fallen angel encourage people to get back on track for God and prepare for His coming? wouldn't an enemy of the Lord try and get people to postpone getting ready? After all Christ says that good servants prepare for His coming (Matthew 24)

Couldn't say.  And, I'm not saying it was a demon.  I don't even know that it was more than just a person.  I am going on hearsay.  I do know that satan is called the deceiver.  If he wanted to make someone suseptible to his influence I don't think it's beyond him to make them think they are on the same side.  

Just as a side note: I know of great angel stories that anyone can read. They can EASILY be found in... Daniel, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Revelation, Genesis, Exodus, Judges, Hebrews (a lot).... do I need to go on? The Bible has a bunch of cool encounters with angels and then says in Hebrews 13:2 as someone eariler pointed out, that some have entertained angels unknowingly. You can't entertain something that doesn't exist, and you can't entertain something that is not here on earth at some point. Just thoughts Have a great day!

I don't think anyone disputes the existance of angels.  As you point out, there are numerous stories of them in the Bible.  I do, however, think that many people are deceived in to seeing or believing what they want to believe, regardless of reality.

God bless

 

[sbbqb7n16]

Reform... I totally see what you are saying. My response was made assuming that the stories are true and in response to your question I had in quotes. But yeah... I do agree with your points especially...

I do, however, think that many people are deceived in to seeing or believing what they want to believe, regardless of reality.

But on the same note... isn't that what faith is to a certain degree?

 

[Apologist]

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Do tell.

Which ones do you buy and which ones you don't? And what are the theological problems that you have?

The theological problems would be that if angels appear this often and some claims are that they are fallen angels (demons), that could present a problem with the resurrection. Some claim that demons can manifest themselves in human form as do God's angels, so if that is possible could an unbeliever not argue that Jesus' appearance after His resurection was possibly not even him but a fallen angel posing as him since they have the ability to appear as human?
Some people such as Neil Anderson tell wild, unbiblical stories about demons writing on their fogged up mirrors in the shower, biting them, and sexually assaulting them.

Beyond that, the only appearances of angels in the bible were either to bring a message such as to Daniel, announcing the birth of John the Baptist's and Jesus', or to bring judgement as with Abraham being visited by God in the form of a man with two other angels.
Can God make angels appear for a purpose He has? Yes.
But I don't believe the majority of these stories you hear are truely angelic visitations for God's purpose. Most of the stories are silly and don't serve any purpose in the plan of God as revealed in scripture in my opinion.

God Bless

 

[Apologist]

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16
Just as a side note: I know of great angel stories that anyone can read. They can EASILY be found in... Daniel, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Revelation, Genesis, Exodus, Judges, Hebrews (a lot).... do I need to go on? The Bible has a bunch of cool encounters with angels and then says in Hebrews 13:2 as someone eariler pointed out, that some have entertained angels unknowingly. You can't entertain something that doesn't exist, and you can't entertain something that is not here on earth at some point. Just thoughts Have a great day!

Let's also remember that an "angel" is not necessarily a heavenly messenger. The word can also refer to a human being in the form of a message bearer or pastor such as in Revelation chapter 2 where Jesus says "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write...."

 

[sbbqb7n16]

ahhh true true

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16
Reform... I totally see what you are saying. My response was made assuming that the stories are true and in response to your question I had in quotes. But yeah... I do agree with your points especially...

I understand now.  I guess I'm just a bit of a skeptic.

But on the same note... isn't that what faith is to a certain degree?

I don't know that I'd say that.  Faith isn't "hoping and praying" for something to happen that you don't know for sure will happen.  Faith is knowing something will happen and eagerly awaiting it's manifestation.

God bless

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by Apologist
Let's also remember that an "angel" is not necessarily a heavenly messenger. The word can also refer to a human being in the form of a message bearer or pastor such as in Revelation chapter 2 where Jesus says "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write...."

Very good point.

God bless

 

[SUNSTONE]

Originally posted by Apologist
The theological problems would be that if angels appear this often and some claims are that they are fallen angels (demons), that could present a problem with the resurrection. Some claim that demons can manifest themselves in human form as do God's angels, so if that is possible could an unbeliever not argue that Jesus' appearance after His resurection was possibly not even him but a fallen angel posing as him since they have the ability to appear as human?
Some people such as Neil Anderson tell wild, unbiblical stories about demons writing on their fogged up mirrors in the shower, biting them, and sexually assaulting them.

Beyond that, the only appearances of angels in the bible were either to bring a message such as to Daniel, announcing the birth of John the Baptist's and Jesus', or to bring judgement as with Abraham being visited by God in the form of a man with two other angels.
Can God make angels appear for a purpose He has? Yes.
But I don't believe the majority of these stories you hear are truely angelic visitations for God's purpose. Most of the stories are silly and don't serve any purpose in the plan of God as revealed in scripture in my opinion.

God Bless

In a bible study I went to, according to there math(I didn't check) there were more than 200 angel experiences, most of which are in the NT(I think, if I remember correctly).

Angels not only brung news/messages and judgement, they also protected and helped different people. According to the bible study there were different angels for different jobs. Now either these people are lieing about these angels, or they are tricked(because they might be crazy), or they are telling the truth. Just the apearance of an angel would be fruitfull in the kingdom of heaven.

One last thing I can't recall a single fallen angel making appearances to man, but I could be wrong. Ahh wait, the devil I believed showed himself to Jesus, or he could have just entered his thoughts.

 

[Apologist]

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
In a bible study I went to, according to there math(I didn't check) there were more than 200 angel experiences, most of which are in the NT(I think, if I remember correctly).

According to my Logos bible software there are 199 occurances of the word "angel" and 93 occurances of the word "angels" in the NKJV bible.

Angels not only brung news/messages and judgement, they also protected and helped different people.

That is true, I was just being concise.

According to the bible study there were different angels for different jobs. Now either these people are lieing about these angels, or they are tricked(because they might be crazy), or they are telling the truth. Just the apearance of an angel would be fruitfull in the kingdom of heaven.

I am not going to judge anyone's experience or "vision" except by the Word of God. I am sure many are explainable by natural means as are most of the "miracles" at services of the WOF people. What I find interesting is that no great preachers through history that I can think of saw any visions like this and yet these people do.

God Bless

 

[SUNSTONE]

Didn't Billy Graham write a book on angels?

My pastor has seen 3 angel sightings, and let me tell you he is just as good as any of the famous pastors I have ever scene.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Didn't Billy Graham write a book on angels?

My pastor has seen 3 angel sightings, and let me tell you he is just as good as any of the famous pastors I have ever scene.

I'm still confused.  How do you know when you've seen an angel?

 

[SUNSTONE]

Originally posted by Reformationist
I'm still confused.  How do you know when you've seen an angel?

If you are talking to someone and they seem to have a strange Godly way about them, Then you might have seen an Angel.

If you are talking to someone about God and they tell you something special and then disappear supernaturally, Then you  might have seen an angel.

If the prophet asks God to open your eyes, and all of a sudden you see ten thousands of angels, Then.. might have seen an angel.

If you see an angel become a man just so he can be with a women, Then you might have seen "City of Angels"

If your wife doesn't remove the cigerette from her mouth when she tells the state trooper to "kiss her @$!" Then you might just be a redneck.

 

 

 

[Apologist]

Originally posted by SUNSTONE

If your wife doesn't remove the cigerette from her mouth when she tells the state trooper to "kiss her @$!" Then you might just be a redneck.

 

 

Oh no, this is turning into a Jeff Foxworthy post.

 

[Apologist]

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Didn't Billy Graham write a book on angels?

My pastor has seen 3 angel sightings, and let me tell you he is just as good as any of the famous pastors I have ever scene.

Yes Billy Graham wrote a book called, "Angels."

I have it.

God Bless

 

[SUNSTONE]

Originally posted by Apologist
Yes Billy Graham wrote a book called, "Angels."

I have it.

God Bless

So are you just going to keep us all in suspense? Whats in the book? Did he see angels?

I am going to just sit here holding my breathe untill you tell me! :o