ancient civilizations

[Faith24]

There are ancient civilizations that predate a young earth.

 

[Jazer]

There are ancient civilizations that predate a young earth.

A day in Genesis is 1000 years. So the age we live in began 12982 years ago. Most all of the worlds oldest cities are talked about in the Bible. The Bible is the best History book we have when it comes to ancient civiliaztions. We learn more about ancient civilizations in the Bible then we do anywhere else.

 

[Faith24]

A day in Genesis is 1000 years. So the age we live in began 12982 years ago.

Hi, and thanks for your response. I can see that a day is 1,000 years but how did you get 12982 years ago? 6 days would be 6,000 years so how did you get the rest?

Most all of the worlds oldest cities are talked about in the Bible. The Bible is the best History book we have when it comes to ancient civiliaztions. We learn more about ancient civilizations in the Bible then we do anywhere else.

That's pretty interesting. What about the Sumerians that predate 6,000 years? I'm just looking for answers because this is a new subject to me. A source would be fine, if any.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are ancient civilizations that predate a young earth.

No.

Here is one of my favorite informative sites on this subject:

The Sixteen Grandsons of Noah

 

[Jazer]

Hi, and thanks for your response. I can see that a day is 1,000 years but how did you get 12982 years ago? 6 days would be 6,000 years so how did you get the rest?

You have the 6 days of creation. Then a day of rest. On the eighth day Adam and Eve show up in the Garden of Eden. That was around 6,000 years ago. Jesus was most likely born in 4 AD. So He was crucified on passover in 29 ad. 50 days later was pentacost and the beginning of the Christian Church. The dates NASA gives us is April 13, 2029 and April 13, 2036. That would be the 2000 year anniversery of the church.

That's pretty interesting. What about the Sumerians that predate 6,000 years? I'm just looking for answers because this is a new subject to me. A source would be fine, if any.

The Sumerians had the first clay tablets. They go back 5,000 years. Moses and the Bible was written 3500 years ago. The Bible is NOT the oldest book. As the grandson of a Pharaohs Moses had the best education of his day from Egypt and also he learned from his father in law Jethro a Midian Priest. Abraham was from the city of Ur and he was a Chaldean. Also very well educated in his day. I would have to study up to see what the association is between the Chaldeans and the Sumerians.

From what I understand the Sumerians took over the land of a people that predates them. Even the Haplogroup J Y-DNA that Adam was decended from goes back around 30,000 years. At least that is what Science tells us. Adam was the first Hebrew. Right now they believe that Adam, Noah & Abraham all had identical y-DNA until then find out different.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48944786.html

 

[Faith24]

No.

Here is one of my favorite informative sites on this subject:

The Sixteen Grandsons of Noah

What is that got to do with the age of the earth?

 

[AV1611VET]

There are ancient civilizations that predate a young earth.

No.

Here is one of my favorite informative sites on this subject:

The Sixteen Grandsons of Noah

What is that got to do with the age of the earth?

There are no ancient civilizations that predate a young earth.

How could there be?

 

[Faith24]

The dates NASA gives us is April 13, 2029 and April 13, 2036. That would be the 2000 year anniversery of the church.

I agree the first part of your writing up to this point. This part is unclear to me. What does these two dates from NASA has to do with anything?

The Sumerians had the first clay tablets. They go back 5,000 years. Moses and the Bible was written 3500 years ago. The Bible is NOT the oldest book. As the grandson of a Pharaohs Moses had the best education of his day from Egypt and also he learned from his father in law Jethro a Midian Priest. Abraham was from the city of Ur and he was a Chaldean. Also very well educated in his day. I would have to study up to see what the association is between the Chaldeans and the Sumerians.

Thanks for the information. I would have to look at this a little more deeper and get back at you again.

 

[Faith24]

There are no ancient civilizations that predate a young earth.

How could there be?

Down there in the indus valley = 7,000 years actually.

 

[Jazer]

I agree the first part of your writing up to this point. This part is unclear to me. What does these two dates from NASA has to do with anything?

The Bible says there will be signs in the sky. Apophsis is just at the right place and the exact right time. I was looking for the 2000 year anniversery of the church and the Apophsis shows up on the exact day and comes around again 7 years later. I am sure as the day gets closer lots more people will start to talk about it and they will be writting books. Esp if they want to hype up that Apophsis may actually hit the earth in 2036. It could cause a fairly big tidal wave.

Otherwise we really do not know when Jesus was born. We really do not know the year of the first pentacost and the birth of the Church. We could go by Bissops Ussher or Lightfoots date for the beginning of Adam in the garden.

 

[Jade Margery]

So much misinformation... it boggles the brain. You got double teamed by Jazer and AV. Ouch.

To answer your statement (question?) yes, there are a lot of civilizations which existed before 6000 years ago (and before 12000 years ago, for that matter) in many different parts of the world, many of which had magnificent early cities and communities which are not mentioned at all in the Bible. I would suggest taking a course in anthropology, either biological or archaeological, to get a better understanding--it's a fascinating subject.

As to when exactly the world began, well, very few YEC or creationists in general can agree on a date. 6000 seems to be the most popular view, but Jazer has his own take on things which most of the rest of them don't seem to agree with. I would look to archaeological research and astrological and geological discoveries for accuracy, not creationists on an internet forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

Down there in the indus valley = 7,000 years actually.

You were there all 7000 of those years?

 

[Jazer]

yes, there are a lot of civilizations which existed before 6000 years ago (and before 12000 years ago, for that matter)

Name one city that goes back before 12000 years. No one no where says there was civilization during the ice age. Saber tooth tigers and woolly mammoths but no civilization.

All I do is a lot of research on what science has to say about the neolithic revolution. If you do not accept what I find then take it up with science. Lots of people here reject science all the time. Maybe they should because science does not seem to agree with itself. There are lots of contradictions in science. People just do not seem to agree with each other.

 

[Faith24]

You were there all 7000 of those years?

There are more ways to figure it out than physical appearances. You think crimes only be prosecuted only if there were eye-witnesses and ignore DNA evidence etc?

 

[AV1611VET]

There are more ways to figure it out than physical appearances. You think crimes only be prosecuted only if there were eye-witnesses and ignore DNA evidence etc?

Fair enough, Faith -- you want to bring DNA into the picture?

Let's take the Sumerian empire as an example.

According to the Bible, the Sumerian empire was started by Nimrod, Noah's great grandson: Noah → Ham → Cush → Nimrod → Sumerians.

Please show me DNA evidence that shows the Sumerians came from some other line.

 

[Jazer]

According to the Bible, the Sumerian empire was started by Nimrod, Noah's great grandson: Noah → Ham → Cush → Nimrod → Sumerians.

Please show me DNA evidence that shows the Sumerians came from some other line.

No one has ever produced any DNA evidence that contradicts the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

No one has ever produced any DNA evidence that contradicts the Bible.

-- I'm sure Faith can come up with something better than that.

 

[Faith24]

Fair enough, Faith -- you want to bring DNA into the picture?

Let's take the Sumerian empire as an example.

According to the Bible, the Sumerian empire was started by Nimrod, Noah's great grandson: Noah → Ham → Cush → Nimrod → Sumerians.

Please show me DNA evidence that shows the Sumerians came from some other line.

Well, Nimrod doesn't mention in the Sumerian writings - no evidence he exist outside of the bible.

 

[Jade Margery]

Name one city that goes back before 12000 years. No one no where says there was civilization during the ice age. Saber tooth tigers and woolly mammoths but no civilization.

*heavy sigh* For the record, this is for the onlookers of this sad farce, as you have bluntly stated in the past that you cannot learn anything.

To start with, we need to define 'civilization'. Are the tribal hunter/gardeners of South America a civilization? Were the Native Americans a civilization when the colonists arrived? Were the builders of Stonehenge part of a civilization? Is a city a necessary component to a civilization? What about agricultural civilizations?

Archaeologically, when we say a 'civilization', we are referring to a society of people united by a combination of culture, spiritual beliefs, politics, law, and technological development. The upper paleolithic, for instance, saw the birth of religion, art, construction, and human society. The earliest villages and towns can be found from this time period, built of bones and hides. The oldest are over 25000 years old. Sites were inhabited either continuously or (more often) seasonally. We have evidence for leadership through graduated burial practices, and of culture we have both cave paintings and hand carved statues and monuments.

I admit that I worded my sentence awkwardly--'cities' in the sense that we would think of them today did not exist 12,000 years ago, but civilizations definitely did. (Cities existed over 6000 years ago. It's easy to get mixed up about which erroneous number I'm arguing about from person to person.)

All I do is a lot of research on what science has to say about the neolithic revolution. If you do not accept what I find then take it up with science. Lots of people here reject science all the time. Maybe they should because science does not seem to agree with itself. There are lots of contradictions in science. People just do not seem to agree with each other.

Because you have started with assumptions that you will never let go of, you can read about science as much as you like but you will not understand it.

 

[Jazer]

Well, Nimrod doesn't mention in the Sumerian writings - no evidence he exist outside of the bible.

You should have checked your facts before you commented. Nimrod is mentioned outside of the Bible.