An Interesting View on Paganism

And what is love to you, Shaman? Giving an alocholic a drink because he wants it? Or doing what's best for him even if he doesn't want it? The only way atheists will feel loved is if we agree with them. But our love will not satisfy them. Only God's love will. That is REAL love.

We're not atheists, if you contiune to call us atheists when you know we're not I'm seriously going to report you Carico- there are rules against questioning someone's Christianity then the rule should extend to now calling somone who is a theist (just not a Christian) an atheist. It's ignorance and it's hurtful to us all. Stop it right now or I really will start e-mailing the admins. Sorry but you need to show at least a civil level of respect.

To say that you believe in God but don't believe that Jesus is the only way to God would be contradicting Jesus's words. He is my Lord and savior and I will not contradict His words so that you will be happy. He says he is the ONLY way to God. You've said you do not believe that . According to Christ, then you do not believe in God. if you have a problem with that, Mylinkay, you talk to Him about it, not me. They are His words.

Okay, I'll bring it up with the admins.... however you want it Carico

So will I. I have taken a lot of muslinging for promoting Jesus's words on a Christian forum.

If you do not wish to discuss Non-Christian
Spirituality & Religions....

Why do you harrass and troll those who do?

we are barred from your Christians only section....

Perhaps the same should be applied to a troll
such as yourself.

I have been harrassed far more than anyone on this forum. God has been too.

Carico said:

I have been harrassed far more than anyone on this forum. God has been too.

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I beg to differ...don't whine to any of us when
you come into a OTHER RELIGIONS forum and
you're beliefs aren't accepted, and then when
you try to force feed a wolf, he bites back....

If you don't wish to discuss paganism, you
have your own section on the server where
you are protected against such vile, evil,
disgusting demons such as myself.....

Why in the heck are you unbelievers here? You've made it clear you want no part of Christianity. Your motives are very clear. There's a reason there are very few Christians posting on this thread. I was under the mistaken notion that there were some seekers here. But the rebellion is so obvious on this thread that nobody wants to hear about Christ. I no longer want to be around people like you who have made it clear you do not want Christ's love. You are simply here to harrass the Christians, period.

Yes your right, were sorry that we take offense when you are rude, to us, we are sorry when we disagree with you, we are sorry that we dont take your insults with stride.

Can you forgive us?

Carico said:

I have been harrassed far more than anyone on this forum. God has been too.

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Why are we here?

Forum section:
Christian Forums > Open Discussion & Debate
For:
Christians & Non-Christians

Forum:
Non-Christian Spirituality & Religion
Forum to discuss general spirituality & other non-Christian world religions eg. Islam, Buddhism etc.

We are here because the owner has allowed us to be, if you do not like that, sorry, take it up with him.

Otherwise, I would question, why are you here? Afterall, there are christian only sections if you really dont like us as much as it seems.

Carico said:

Why in the heck are you unbelievers here? You've made it clear you want no part of Christianity. Your motives are very clear. There's a reason there are very few Christians posting on this thread. I was under the mistaken notion that there were some seekers here. But the rebellion is so obvious on this thread that nobody wants to hear about Christ. I no longer want to be around people like you who have made it clear you do not want Christ's love. You are simply here to harrass the Christians, period.

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Carico said:

To say that you believe in God but don't believe that Jesus is the only way to God would be contradicting Jesus's words. He is my Lord and savior and I will not contradict His words so that you will be happy. He says he is the ONLY way to God. You've said you do not believe that . According to Christ, then you do not believe in God. if you have a problem with that, Mylinkay, you talk to Him about it, not me. They are His words.

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Correction: actually, the deeper meaning of that quote is that He is the only way to God for HIM, not for us, which means that WE, are our own way to God. We go to God through ourselves, not through someone else, for we are God. God is ALL and ALL is ALL. God is EVERYTHING....every single thing that exsists and every single thing that doesn't exist. God is ALL of it.

Carico said:

I have been harrassed far more than anyone on this forum. God has been too.

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Oh quit playing the victim. You do not read other's posts and you distort what they say. And you bear false witness against your neighbor. None of these actions are done in ignorance. You know exactly what you are doing.
There is a name for people who play those games online and no amount of false piety can hide it.
Any admin or moderator could easily do a search on your posts and figure out the game you are playing.

I'm going to pray for you, Carico.

Carico said:

Why in the heck are you unbelievers here?

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To learn of OTHER religions...you can't seem to comprehend this
simple concept.

You've made it clear you want no part of Christianity.

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Wrong, you're ignorance about those who have been here YEARS before
you shows. I was raised in an isolated sect of fundamental Christians.
I want NO part of that anymore, but to judge that I don't desire to
commune with Christians is false accusations. And all the others
would agree. I've known them for quite a while.

Why do you come here trying to shove your theology down others
throats?

There's a reason there are very few Christians posting on this thread.

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You haven't taken the time to remain silent long enough to learn
who's who.

I was under the mistaken notion that there were some seekers here.

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We are all long time members of this forum who are seekers. Yet,
if someone doesn't seek what you're selling, that's not our fault.

But the rebellion is so obvious on this thread that nobody wants to hear about Christ.

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Again, it's a OTHER RELIGIONS section... it is you who doesn't want to
learn of other religions.

I no longer want to be around people like you who have made it clear you do not want Christ's love. You are simply here to harrass the Christians, period.

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The only one harrassing in this thread is you. If you don't want to be
here...hit the X in the top hand corner of your window...it's as simple as that.

Carico said:

I have been harrassed far more than anyone on this forum. God has been too.

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I have yet to see God harassed here. I think it's very telling that you see yourself as victim and place yourself on the same level as God in that respect.

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Here you go Carico:


The fact that Native Americans have been labeled 'Pagan' is
up for debate...however...
Since some of the kindest souls consider themselves Pagan, I
take this as a compliment, and with honor.

Now, having said that:
First, I don't label myself, yet I am of Native American descent
from my Father's side, and have chosen to walk the path of light
and true human existance. If that is Pagan, I gladly accept the title.

"I have Indian Blood in me. I have just enough white blood for you to question my honesty!"
-Will Rogers aka "The Cherokee Kid"


To continue; the Cherokee were peace-loving, very spiritual, and
killed only out of necessity. The Cherokee have 7 clans, taken
from the Mother. Women held high status within the Cherokee clans.
When children were born, they took their mother's clan and you were forbidden to marry within your clan. The members of the same clan were considered brothers and sisters.

The seven clans are: Wolf - (a-ni-wa-ya), Deer - (a-ni-a-ha-wi), Bird - (a-ni-tsi-s-qua), Longhair - (a-ni-gi-lo-hi), Wild Potato - (a-ni-go-da-ge-wi), Blue - (a-ni-sa-ho-ni), Paint - (a-ni-wo-di).

One of the reasons the women were given the clans was that they were the givers of life. When a man married a woman, he usually took her clan. During ceremonies he sat with her clan. Other tribes have clans. Some names of the clans are different and some are similar to the Cherokees.

The women were free to choose the men they wished to marry, as long as they were from different clans. When a woman divorced her husband, she would pack all his clothes and set them outside the door --- it was that easy.

Now to Religous Beliefs.
Excerpts taken from "THE ANCIENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF THE CHEROKEE PEOPLE" by Chief Charles Jahtlohi Rogers, M.D.
Cherokee Nation of Mexico

Be warned that calling a Native American a Pagan is an insult to the majority of those who follow the ancient traditional beliefs. The name for Cherokee People is “A ni yun wi yah”, which in English means “The Principle People” or akin to “The People of God.” To the Cherokee, they were the chosen people of the Creator, similar to the Jewish traditions that the Hebrew were the chosen race of the God of Abraham. Yet, this is a topic for another thread, another day. The devotion of the Cherokee people was to the Supreme Holy Spirit (The Creator) who could not be looked upon and whose energy was the fire of all creation and the fire of all life and who resided in the heavens and on earth through purified people. They were rigidly non idolaters and neither would they observe any religious images among them or keep idolatrous religious ceremonies. Instead the Cherokee people adored the one Great Spirit, God, who they described as “the only Giver and Taker of life.” They were devoted to a higher principled way of living according to their ancient religious beliefs of the one benevolent God.

The Cherokees believed this sole Author of creation was with them and they with God by His blessing of mankind with animals and all plant and vegetable life. Thus, the place of worship for those of us who follow
such beliefs is nature herself. Religious worship very closely paralleled the Mosiac institution in the Old Testament of the Bible. They were not Pagans and were warned each year by their priests, just as the Old Testament warned about “...giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron” (1 Timothy 4:1,2).

How's that Carico?

While I don't personally find the label 'Pagan' to be an insult,
I do feel that term is overused by the Christian extremists
who are blinded to consider other alternatives.
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"The wolf is not just an animal,
but something inside you
that makes you want to fight back,
to come back, to be whole again."

Carico said:

Why in the heck are you unbelievers here? You've made it clear you want no part of Christianity. Your motives are very clear. There's a reason there are very few Christians posting on this thread. I was under the mistaken notion that there were some seekers here. But the rebellion is so obvious on this thread that nobody wants to hear about Christ. I no longer want to be around people like you who have made it clear you do not want Christ's love. You are simply here to harrass the Christians, period.

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Thank about this, please....Perhaps...just perhaps, there's something about the attitude of your posts that invites descent.

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Carico said:

I no longer want to be around people like you who have made it clear you do not want Christ's love.

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Don't let the forum door catch you on the backside on your way out.

Havoc said:

Don't let the forum door catch you on the backside on your way out.

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Why am I laughing. People are funny.

Havoc said:

Don't let the forum door catch you on the backside on your way out.

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Funny? Yes! Should we stoop so low? NO!! Please, lets not lower the bar more than it already is here.

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