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An attempt to eliminate God.

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BornAgainBrian said:
The Greek words for "law" and "commandment" can mean very general concepts, the same way we might use them in English.
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So when "law" is mentioned in the NT the context would have to be looked at to see what law is being referred to.
 
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Elder 111 said:
So only the Sabbath is the problem then!
The same commands that you have stated as Good God couple with the Sabbath, If God so put them together who are you or me to separate them!
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God commands the Sabbath in the Mosaic Law too, but you are fine separating it out from there...
 
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Elder 111 said:
So only the Sabbath is the problem then!
The same commands that you have stated as Good God couple with the Sabbath, If God so put them together who are you or me to separate them!
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Well there is the whole bit about a man being told to hate his parents...
 
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Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17

Here is a reiteration lumping new moons in with sabbaths.
 
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The scriptures need no commentary to deny these truth. Their argument is against God's word.

What a shame
 
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I had a discussion once with a man who was very passionate about God concerning this very thing. I asked him if he knew that they were other "Sabbath days" besides the weekly Sabbath, he said no.
The Sabbath days here mentioned has nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath.
 
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The idea that God's ten commandments is abolish seek to eliminate God on this wise.

  1. God is the author of the Ten. It removes His authority. How can one govern when the laws they set forth are ignored? They essentially have no power.
  2. In the first four of the Ten Commandments there is direct service and worship to God as our Lord, creator and Saviour. Remove those and what do we have? No reason to worship God!
 
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And then people wonder why the world is like it is today. Love has grown cold because the Law of God has been cast to the ground. People think that the only purpose for the Law is to establish one's righteousness but the Law is so much more when it's used to define godly love. Throw out the Law and the next thing you know the Sabbath is gone, then abortion becomes the means to enjoy your life, same sex marriages becomes part of the duties of the church, divorce and adultery is the norm for God's people and life itself becomes less valuable then a pair of sneakers. The judgement of God is just.
 
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So you hold that this mention of Sabbath is talking about another Sabbath which is mentioned nowhere else in Scripture and doesn't exist?

Are all these New Testament verses meaningless? Is that your stance?
 
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Is not God equally the author of the Mosaic Law? You admitted there is no hold on us to obey the entire Law, so what is the difference here?

We are told throughout about worshipping God. That's like saying if there is no sign at a restaurant saying "please eat" that there is no reason to eat. We have the Spirit to guide us now. Scripture affirms that we don't need any tutor, an exhaustive written list of mandates and no-no's.
 
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maco said:
Throw out the Law
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Not thrown out as you sarcastically put it, but fulfilled

and the next thing you know the Sabbath is gone
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I've posted plenty of Scripture to support there being no universal mandate for this under the new Covenant

abortion becomes the means to enjoy your life, same sex marriages becomes part of the duties of the church, divorce and adultery is the norm for God's people and life itself becomes less valuable then a pair of sneakers. The judgement of God is just.
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Totally out of proportion and irrelevant.
 
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Can not accept this after reading the Scripture. God promised to do away with the law and Jesus testified it is now relinquished in favor of that new covenant promise.
 
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Tell me, what are the oracles of God in Acts 7:37-38?

Acts 7:37-38 “This is that Moses who said to the children of Israel, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear.’ “This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us.

And in Hebrews 5:12?

Hebrews 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

And 1 Peter 4:11?

1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

How does God define godly love?

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

How does God establish His people for Himself?

Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The Law has a very important role in the New Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Exodus 19:5-6 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

The very next thing in Exodus 19 that God did was give the Ten Commandments to use to make His special treasure, holy nation and royal priesthood. The Ten Commandments is still the means by which God will establish a people for Himself.

1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Do away with the Law and all this goes away and Satan loves it.
 
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You are focusing on sins of people who are not Christians but church going religious people. You have them at your church. You are not talking about theology. If you choose to say that is not true then I must tell you for a fact no one at any church I have ever attended participate in some of your listed sins. You are barking (making useless noise) at the wrong people here.
 
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