An atheists world

[HitchSlap]

... The Bible itself does not change...

Therein lies the problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The debate is usually won by whoever puts the most work into research. The Bible itself does not change, even if over time we gain a better understanding of the Bible. The problem with science is their actual "facts" have a half life, so over time their facts change. Look at their Biology book. Campbell is on their 9th edition. Usually the instructor will allow you to use one edition back. So you could use the 8th but they highly recommend getting the most current edition. Because their facts are fluid and in a constant state of change. They cling to their theory. But right now DNA evidence has falsified a lot of their theory that was based on the fossil record. So they are doing what they can to cover that up and salvage what they can. Some evolutionists still teach the old model based on the fossil record and they have not even learned the new model based on the DNA. So when you have a theory that is so unstable from change that puts them on very shaky ground. Where the Bible has remained steadfast and true for over 3700 years. Science works as hard as they can to make science dull and boring. There are a few people like Brian Cox and Neil Tyson De grasses that can make science interesting. But most people work hard to make it is as dull and boring as they can.

Wrong. The facts of science are not fluid. Sometimes the interpretation of them can change.

And the fact that science changes is its strength. Science gets more and more accurate as time goes on. I don't think you can find a case where science got less accurate.

Now the Bible has changed over time to. And in the one change of the Bible that I am aware of it became obviously less accurate. Claiming that something does not change is not necessarily a strong point.

 

[createdtoworship]

*Different

sometimes it's good to be different.

 

[createdtoworship]

Dad is another poster here: dad

He believes in what is called a Distant State Past, couple with a Split/Merge model of the universe.

If I understand him correctly, he believes that the universe ran under a different (and purer) set of laws prior to some "split" that began at the Fall and culminated during the time of Peleg.

For instance:

1. levitation surrendered to gravity
2. telepathy surrendered to voice communication
3. the speed of light was slowed down
4. immortality (of the body) surrendered to death
5. knowledge surrendered to ignorance
6. teleportation surrendered to travel
7. communication between man and animals was severed
8. communication between animals surrendered to zoosemiotics

In the future, these traits will be merged back to the way they were before the Fall.

Dad is currently on "vacation" from CF.

interesting

 

[AV1611VET]

The debate is usually won by whoever puts the most work into research. The Bible itself does not change, even if over time we gain a better understanding of the Bible. The problem with science is their actual "facts" have a half life, so over time their facts change. Look at their Biology book. Campbell is on their 9th edition. Usually the instructor will allow you to use one edition back. So you could use the 8th but they highly recommend getting the most current edition. Because their facts are fluid and in a constant state of change. They cling to their theory. But right now DNA evidence has falsified a lot of their theory that was based on the fossil record. So they are doing what they can to cover that up and salvage what they can. Some evolutionists still teach the old model based on the fossil record and they have not even learned the new model based on the DNA. So when you have a theory that is so unstable from change that puts them on very shaky ground. Where the Bible has remained steadfast and true for over 3700 years. Science works as hard as they can to make science dull and boring. There are a few people like Brian Cox and Neil Tyson De grasses that can make science interesting. But most people work hard to make it is as dull and boring as they can.

I ask a good question ... I get a good answer.

 

[AV1611VET]

*Different

Oops! Thanks for the correction!

 

[Subduction Zone]

And DNA has strengthened the theory of evolution immensely. The nested hierarchy found in DNA supports evolution and creationists have no answer for it. ERV's make the odds of evolution happening almost 1.

 

[AV1611VET]

interesting

Dad has "UNDEFEATED" as his user title, prompting some to make "I DEFEATED DAD" as their user title or signature.

 

[HitchSlap]

Dad has "UNDEFEATED" as his user title, prompting some to make "I DEFEATED DAD" as their user title or signature.

A sign of intelligence is knowing when you've been defeated. A sign of being a man is admitting it when it's happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Speaking of dad, he has not been posting for a while.

Was he put on the naughty list again?

And yes, I did defeat dad. It was the failed Tyre prophesy that did him in.

 

[AV1611VET]

A sign of intelligence is knowing when you've been defeated. A sign of being a man is admitting it when it's happened.

Meh ... someone gets a Pyrrhic victory against him every once in awhile.

He's still "undefeated," as far as I'm concerned.

 

[AV1611VET]

Speaking of dad, he has not been posting for a while.

Was he put on the naughty list again?

Didn't I say he was?

Dad is currently "on vacation" from CF.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Didn't I say he was?

I missed that the first time around.

Thank you.

 

[AV1611VET]

I missed that the first time around.

Thank you.

Sorry ... I actually added it afterwards.

My fault.

 

[createdtoworship]

Dad has "UNDEFEATED" as his user title, prompting some to make "I DEFEATED DAD" as their user title or signature.

I have seen them, even before meeting DAD.

funy

 

[createdtoworship]

Speaking of dad, he has not been posting for a while.

Was he put on the naughty list again?

And yes, I did defeat dad. It was the failed Tyre prophesy that did him in.

a quick search revealed some history of this failed prophecy:

Did the prophecy of the destruction of the port city of Tyre come true? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have seen them, even before meeting DAD.

funy

That's true. It was not all that difficult to beat dad.

But then such hubris as he has needs constant remind that he has failed. And failed badly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

a quick search revealed some history of this failed prophecy:

Did the prophecy of the destruction of the port city of Tyre come true? - Yahoo! Answers

Yes, a very good link. The "question" was more of a false statement than a question and the "Best Answer' debunked many of his claims. I also have an excellent article that answers all of the errors of the apologists:


Edward T. Babinski - Biblical Errancy: Ezekiel's Prophecy of Tyre: a failed prophecy

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did other research on Tyre too and it turns out that it was defeated on a regular basis before the attack of Nebuchadnezzar. Since that sort of attack was the norm for Tyre that meant the prophecy could not legitimately be extended past Nebby. Otherwise I can make prophesies of the Biblical sort by simply claiming that you will see a red car. The fact that when you go outside and see a red car does not make me a prophet. The fact that 200 years later another man came along and defeated Tyre is a "you will see a red car prophesy".

 

[AV1611VET]

I have seen them, even before meeting DAD.

funy

I imagine they'll take any accolades they can get.