An atheists world

[AV1611VET]

So...being all-powerful, it either designed us complete with our faults, or it designed us fault free. Now, if the latter, our faults must have been influenced by someone/thing else. If this is the case, either your fantasy god was aware of this outside influence, or it was not. If it was aware, then it still bears responsibility for us being the way we are, as it would have had the power to overpower that extraneous influence. If it wasn't aware, then it isn't all powerful...

So, take your pick......your god of choice is either a cruel monster or an incompetent .......which is it....?

Ask me when you can do it properly, or take your fake curiosity to someone who cares.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ask me when you can do it properly, or take your fake curiosity to someone who cares.

You don't have to be able to do something to accurately judge whether it was done correctly or not.

If that was the case no one but gymnasts would watch gymnasts compete.

Only people who can, or at the very least could, play football would watch football games.

In fact hardly anyone would watch sports worldwide.

And that is only one set of examples. The same could be said about music, writing, painting. Anything that takes talent.

Your response is that of someone who has no answer to a cold and ugly truth that he does not like.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't have to be able to do something to accurately judge whether it was done correctly or not.

If that was the case no one but gymnasts would watch gymnasts compete.

Only people who can, or at the very least could, play football would watch football games.

In fact hardly anyone would watch sports worldwide.

And that is only one set of examples. The same could be said about music, writing, painting. Anything that takes talent.

Your response is that of someone who has no answer to a cold and ugly truth that he does not like.

Direct your comments at me when you can do it properly, or take your fake conclusions to someone who cares.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Direct your comments at me when you can do it properly, or take your fake conclusions to someone who cares.

I did.

You are dodging a truth that you do not like.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

So...being all-powerful, it either designed us complete with our faults, or it designed us fault free. Now, if the latter, our faults must have been influenced by someone/thing else. If this is the case, either your fantasy god was aware of this outside influence, or it was not. If it was aware, then it still bears responsibility for us being the way we are, as it would have had the power to overpower that extraneous influence. If it wasn't aware, then it isn't all powerful...

So, take your pick......your god of choice is either a cruel monster or an incompetent .......which is it....?

A very well put summary of the problem. And interesting to see the unsettling effect such clarity has on those who rely on vagueness and obscuration.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A very well put summary of the problem. And interesting to see the unsettling effect such clarity has on those who rely on vagueness and obscuration.

So what will AV do next?

Will he go and sulk in a corner for a while? Perhaps entering consecutive number after consecutive number in a series of posts to get his count up so that he feels he has some sort of authority.

Or will he spam the thread?

 

[biggles53]

Ask me when you can do it properly, or take your fake curiosity to someone who cares.

Oh....touchy.....

Because I've described the fatal flaw in your religion that we both know exists, haven't I...?

Your religion is just too greedy isn't it.....it wants it all..? It wants an omni-everything god as its flagship, but also wants to absolve it of any responsibility for the thing it has supposed to have created....

And it worked for many, many centuries.....amazing what you can achieve when the masses are kept in ignorance, the scriptures are the sole domain of the cult leaders and no-one asks any questions on the pain of torture and death...

How unfortunate for people like you that those times have passed.....as will your god....

 

[Valiantis]

You are dodging a truth that you do not like.

That happens when you put all of your eggs in one basket.

 

[EternalDragon]

Oh....touchy.....

Because I've described the fatal flaw in your religion that we both know exists, haven't I...?

Your religion is just too greedy isn't it.....it wants it all..? It wants an omni-everything god as its flagship, but also wants to absolve it of any responsibility for the thing it has supposed to have created....

And it worked for many, many centuries.....amazing what you can achieve when the masses are kept in ignorance, the scriptures are the sole domain of the cult leaders and no-one asks any questions on the pain of torture and death...

How unfortunate for people like you that those times have passed.....as will your god....

The real issue and real dodge is this. AV and others have tried to explain free will to you guys and you still don't get it. You are willfully ignorant on some issues.

Just because you don't understand something or don't understand spiritual things as well does not mean that there is a flaw with God or creation.

 

[createdtoworship]

So...being all-powerful, it either designed us complete with our faults, or it designed us fault free. Now, if the latter, our faults must have been influenced by someone/thing else. If this is the case, either your fantasy god was aware of this outside influence, or it was not. If it was aware, then it still bears responsibility for us being the way we are, as it would have had the power to overpower that extraneous influence. If it wasn't aware, then it isn't all powerful...

So, take your pick......your god of choice is either a cruel monster or an incompetent .......which is it....?

awareness is not the same as responsible. This is an equivocation of the wording.

I am aware of euthanasia, I am not therefore responsible for it.

that would be guilt by association. Which fails in every court of law.

 

[Split Rock]

It's the free will thing again but I don't think you want to hear the direct answer because you would just apply poor logic to it, try to guess the wisdom of an infinitely more wise being than yourself, and make fun of the answer.

I would suggest reading the New Testament, mainly the parables of Jesus in say Matthew, Mark and Luke.

Yes I understand free will, but I also understand entrapment. I understand not leaving matches and an oil can will a little kid and telling him "don't touch that." I think its funny you won't give me an answer, because I will apply "poor logic" to it. I suspect you don't want me applying any logic to it.

I am not asking about the wisdom of one more wise than myself, I was instead asking you, since you are the one misinterpreting scripture. From what I have seen here you definately do not apply as "more wise" than myself on any matter you have posted.

 

[Split Rock]

The real issue and real dodge is this. AV and others have tried to explain free will to you guys and you still don't get it. You are willfully ignorant on some issues.

Just because you don't understand something or don't understand spiritual things as well does not mean that there is a flaw with God or creation.

And you guys just don't want to understand that when we argue with your flawed interpretation of scripture, we are not arguing with God.

 

[biggles53]

The real issue and real dodge is this. AV and others have tried to explain free will to you guys and you still don't get it. You are willfully ignorant on some issues.

Just because you don't understand something or don't understand spiritual things as well does not mean that there is a flaw with God or creation.

Errr......excuse me, but it isn't me who makes the excuse that, when things don't make sense, I'll just 'trust in god', like you folk do...

Face it, you're caught we'll and truly on the horns of a dilemma.....you're happy that your god judges you for errors that he programmed into and knew that you would commit, even before you we're born...

You want to place your confidence in a creep like that.....go right ahead...

 

[biggles53]

awareness is not the same as responsible. This is an equivocation of the wording.

I am aware of euthanasia, I am not therefore responsible for it.

that would be guilt by association. Which fails in every court of law.

You're only conceding part of the problem.....it isn't just a matter of awareness. This creature you claim to worship is also supposed to have created us the way we are and, moreover, is claimed to then judge us for the faults it KNEW we possessed.........

Some love, some justice......!

 

[Lethe]

You're only conceding part of the problem.....it isn't just a matter of awareness. This creature you claim to worship is also supposed to have created us the way we are and, moreover, is claimed to then judge us for the faults it KNEW we possessed.........
Some love, some justice......!

But the devil put those faults there!

For which the creature still judges us.

 

[createdtoworship]

You're only conceding part of the problem.....it isn't just a matter of awareness. This creature you claim to worship is also supposed to have created us the way we are and, moreover, is claimed to then judge us for the faults it KNEW we possessed.........

Some love, some justice......!

I think the misunderstanding is in the existence of evil, evil is a negative attribute. Nota positive one. That is God Is good, only has positive attributes.

 

[EternalDragon]

You're only conceding part of the problem.....it isn't just a matter of awareness. This creature you claim to worship is also supposed to have created us the way we are and, moreover, is claimed to then judge us for the faults it KNEW we possessed.........

Some love, some justice......!

There are no created faults and there is no judgement for anything if you are saved.

 

[EternalDragon]

Yes I understand free will, but I also understand entrapment. I understand not leaving matches and an oil can will a little kid and telling him "don't touch that." I think its funny you won't give me an answer, because I will apply "poor logic" to it. I suspect you don't want me applying any logic to it.

I am not asking about the wisdom of one more wise than myself, I was instead asking you, since you are the one misinterpreting scripture. From what I have seen here you definately do not apply as "more wise" than myself on any matter you have posted.

Like I said. Go read for yourself. Interpret it for yourself. Don't go by anyone's individual interpretation. The Bible is not hard to interpret. I think it is at a 3rd or 5th grade reading level.

I thought maybe you would get the parables hint but I guess not.

 

[RedRover]

The Bible is not hard to interpret. I think it is at a 3rd or 5th grade reading level.

We take them pretty young for the teaching program. If they are old enough to walk then they can march around the room and sing Bible songs about Bible characters.

 

[lasthero]

Like I said. Go read for yourself. Interpret it for yourself. Don't go by anyone's individual interpretation. The Bible is not hard to interpret. I think it is at a 3rd or 5th grade reading level.

Depends on the translation, but generally speaking, no.

Bible Translation Reading Levels - Christianbook.com