TheBeardedDude
The Fossil Dude(tm)
There are so many different versions of the fantasy that I can't keep them all straight.
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At least try to get the "fantasy" right, will you?
Just because you think it's a fantasy, doesn't mean you can toss accuracy to the wind.
Or are you making up your own story?
There are so many different versions of the fantasy that I can't keep them all straight.
There are so many different versions of the fantasy that I can't keep them all straight.
Well, to be honest, yours is a new one on me.
I know of no story that says God gave control of His creation directly to Satan.
In fact, just the opposite.
Satan offered it back to Jesus, and Jesus refused.
Unless I'm wrong, you made this up on the fly.
If not, please tell me the denomination, cult or whatever that teaches this, and I'll acquiesce.
This argument could go on forever, with more sidestepping, on the spot justification for contradictions in the bible and in how God is described, etc. etc..
Hold on, so Satan got control in the first place, how?
What did I say, TBD?
Adam turned it over to Satan.
God gave dominion of His creation to Adam, and Adam turned it over to Satan.
Later, Satan tried to use it to bribe Jesus, and Jesus refused.
Jesus will be back soon to take it back by force.
He will then hold it for 1000 years, and then turned it back over to His Father, Who will have it for all eternity.
Nothing, because no knew has demonstrated the existence of angels so a story about angels and god has as much weight as fairies and god.
I realize you have found some idea to latch onto to justify your beliefs, now I am asking specifically for you to show me how these can be reconciled with God's perfect message to humans and where in that book these ideas are supported.
Otherwise, it would seem you are just pulling ideas out of anywhere you can grab them with no actual purpose or truth to your interpretation, no?
well I have been thinking about it overnight and the Bible says God is the "alpha and omega the beginning and the end" not to mention over 300 prophecies regarding Jesus Himself. So it is obvious that time is not an issue with God. Now in physics if you don't have time, you don't have mass. "mass acceleration of gravity." For instance if you took an atom clock and put it in a supersonic jet flying mock 2 it would be a slower clock than one on the earth not accelerated. Thats because if mass is accelerated time is too. They are coupled. So I figure if God doesn't have time, He doesn't have mass. That was my logic. Also as AV mentions omnipresence is an attribute of a massless diety. In the Bible it mentions glorified bodies that can come in and out of locked rooms (as in the upper room encounter with the risen Christ). Now it appears that these beings can solidify at will or appear at will, either one it doesn't matter.
So that would be the third Biblical evidence.
Again even if God does have a body of flesh (which scripture doesn't state other than Christs' resurrection body), it would appear He doensn't always stay that way.
You still haven't answered my question. Where does god tell the world this in his book?
God could choose to know everything we will do but He deliberately chooses not to know that to give us free will.
REvelation 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,[c] says the Lord,[d] who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
so Here God is claiming to be the beginning and the end, which would be implied that HE was outside of time.
here is a clip from a site that may help:
God lives outside the bounds of time as we know it (Isaiah 57:15). Our destiny was planned before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2) and before the creation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20). By faith we understand that the universe was formed at Gods command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible (Hebrews 11:3). In other words, the physical universe we see, hear, feel and experience was created not from existing matter, but from a source independent of the physical dimensions we can perceive.
God is spirit (John 4:24), and, correspondingly, God is timeless rather than being eternally in time or being beyond time. Time was simply created by God as a limited part of His creation for accommodating the workings of His purpose in His disposable universe (see 2 Peter 3:10-12).
What verses in scripture support the Christian doctrine that god exists outside of time? - Yahoo! Answers
Ok, I don't know if you're deliberately playing dumb...but let's go with baby steps...
You lot would claim that your god made everything in our existence....yes?
You would also claim that your god designed everything in that creation...yes?
Ok, so given that humans can be tempted into doing the wrong thing (sin), that must be part of our design....yes? If your god had designed us to resist all temptation, we would never do wrong....yes?
Now, you also tell us that your god is omniscient...that it can 'see all and know all'.....yes? This means that it knows every outcome of every choice and decision we will ever make, ahead of us doing it....yes?
yesFinally, you also tell us that this god is into judgement...that it will decide upon our fate after death, depending upon the actions we have taken during our lives....yes?
So, given all that, tell me how in Hades your god could be described as kind and loving and just, as you would also have us believe...!!?
None of that suggests "outside of time", in fact, it suggests the existence of time when there should be none.
None of this indicates anything about a "26 dimension spacetime" or that god occupies any of spacetime other than the one in which we are supposed to be living in.
Does the bible not also suggest a firmament above the Earth and that god resides above this?
The bible suggests a lot of things and observing how christians attempt to explain it, is let's say; entertaining.
The reason the God stories are flawed is because the God stories are man made.
The bottom line of Christianity [and the vast majority of other religions] is that someone told someone else that God spoke to them, to be a Christian that is the first thing you must believe, if you can not believe that then all the rest is just hogwash, do you believe that person actually spoke to God? that is where the faith comes in, if you can believe that then the rest is easy.
Ask yourself if you would believe someone today if they told you God spoke to them? do you believe the people who tell you they were abducted by aliens or that they are Napoleon?
God lives outside the bounds of time as we know it (Isaiah 57:15). Our destiny was planned before the beginning of time
miracles and prophecy validate the Bible
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