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I really really am not following your logic, but when I get home I will read it again.
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I really don't think God could have created sentient beings without it being the way it is.
God wants it to be your free choice, and yours alone to come to him for salvation. That requires free will. Upon doing that none of your actions will be judged. Jesus/God will have paid all your debt with his own blood. You will be saved. Given a new body and eternal life. Probably everything else you would ever need or want.
That is a kind, loving and just God. Sort of like your father. He doesn't want to force you to love him, he just wants it unconditionally. If you willingly turn your back on him, then you've rejected him by your own choice.
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The reason the God stories are flawed is because the God stories are man made.
The bottom line of Christianity [and the vast majority of other religions] is that someone told someone else that God spoke to them, to be a Christian that is the first thing you must believe, if you can not believe that then all the rest is just hogwash, do you believe that person actually spoke to God? that is where the faith comes in, if you can believe that then the rest is easy.
Ask yourself if you would believe someone today if they told you God spoke to them? do you believe the people who tell you they were abducted by aliens or that they are Napoleon?
The bottom line of Christianity [and the vast majority of other religions] is that someone told someone else that God spoke to them, to be a Christian that is the first thing you must believe, if you can not believe that then all the rest is just hogwash, do you believe that person actually spoke to God? that is where the faith comes in, if you can believe that then the rest is easy.
Ask yourself if you would believe someone today if they told you God spoke to them? do you believe the people who tell you they were abducted by aliens or that they are Napoleon?
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Nothing, because no knew has demonstrated the existence of angels so a story about angels and god has as much weight as fairies and god.
I realize you have found some idea to latch onto to justify your beliefs, now I am asking specifically for you to show me how these can be reconciled with God's perfect message to humans and where in that book these ideas are supported.
Otherwise, it would seem you are just pulling ideas out of anywhere you can grab them with no actual purpose or truth to your interpretation, no?
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TheBeardedDude
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I see a lot of logical and logistical fallacies.
Is your god omnipotent? If so, then it is capable of things no other being is capable of. Which would include the ability to be in all places at all times. Meaning that god appearing to man would be possible for him to do at all times simultaneously and in all places. Unless there is something your god can't do? Why then that time, in that place, and a book written in such vagaries when he could have just as easily had them write already translated copies or just appeared in the 21st century, etc.?
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Yes.
He is capable of things no other being is capable of.
This is correct.
And that is called omnipresence, not omnipotence.
Correct.
Like lie?
Because Satan could too easily mimic His activities.
Remember Pharaoh's magicians?
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TheBeardedDude
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Does your sleep?
And secondly, if Satan can mimic his abilities, then there are things that God does not have control over?
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God is in control of everything. He does not allow anything to happen that He can not cause good to come out of. Even we are told all things work out for the best.
Romans 8:28 (NKJV)
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
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I thought your god could do whatever it liked....?
What nonsense.....how can it possibly be free will, when you claim that your god already knows who will be 'saved', long before they were even born...!?
That is a sadistic monster.........how fortunate it is nothing more than the invention of men.....
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God can not contradict Himself.
I am sure that is all YOU know about God, but you only speak for yourself.
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I don't think that is the kind of control TBD was talking about.
I think he was talking about the kind of control that a manipulator has over a marionette.
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God can only give freedom to those who want to be free. If people want to live in bondage then that is there choice.
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I think biggle's idea of God is some kind of computer.
He's been watching too much Star Trek.
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Who says...? After all, people like you have constructed this free will / omniscience paradox which creates a contradiction in your god's character....
As do we all mate...thanks so much for stating the bloody obvious....
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Indeed -- but biggles certainly talks like he would be relinquishing some kind of freedom to some kind of machine.
I suspect he may have been fed too much science fiction.
It wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't reported a UFO or two.
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