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It's not clear where Biden was going or what he was doing....but it appears to be one of those unfortunate incidents where the Biden wranglers weren't nearby because of the photo op and Biden (as is traditional for him in these situations) seems to begin wandering off...


Now, is this the worst I've seen him during this administration? No. No the worst has to be the Vietnam press speech....


Now...it's not really a question of whether or not Biden's mental state has deteriorated. He's spoken to the press less than any president in the past 40 years. He's spent more of his time in office on vacation than any other president (depending on who you ask, other sources have him closer to Trump’s time on vacation)


I don't think it really matters much...I've never seen the white house have to correct the president so many times nor have I ever seen so many whistleblowers from so many agencies. My personal favorites are the IRS specialists on international money laundering accusing him of corruption and the old lady from HHS speaking at length about how over 100,000 unaccompanied children were given to known criminals and human traffickers with little regard for their safety and no accountability for where they are or what conditions they are in.

I'm not here to rip apart Biden....it would take too long. From the Afghanistan withdrawal to funneling endless cash and arms into the Ukraine where liberals ignore war crimes and Gaza where liberals complain about war crimes....this presidency is just a series of low points and crony capitalism....and abuse of the DOJ and executive branch.

I'm asking anyone and everyone....why do you think Democrats decided to run Biden despite the many problems with both his administration and mental state? Here's some suggestions starting with what I think is most likely....followed by guesses in no particular order. Say what you will about the right or republicans....they at least trotted out some options other than Trump for the US voters to choose from whether it was DeSantis, Ramaswamy, or that one unqualified lady who thought the civil war had something to do with "states rights".

Did the left decide to run Joe because...

1. He's so far gone he isn't making any decisions, and whomever is making them in his place won't be held accountable for them as Joe continues to get the blame.

2. There's really nobody else to vote for on the left. This is essentially the reason Joe ran and won the nomination in 2020. He still had familiarity with voters from his time as VP and although clearly a lie...a return to the steady leadership of those days during covid and 2020 riots was appealing.

3. The issues/platform. Joe's positions on the issues of the day really resonate with the voters. This seems unlikely as I've yet to have a real life discussion with a Biden voter who knows his positions on any issues and that seems appropriate since it doesn't appear Biden knows either.

4. He's doing a good job. Again, seems unlikely with his approval ratings that many people think this....but it's somewhere above 30% so technically 3-4 out of 10 Americans seem to approve of the job he's doing.

5. They actually want Trump to win. This one is for the conspiracy theorists out there who think that the 4 years of complaining about an oppressive and unfair justice system to appeal to the feelings of voters on the left, and then using that oppressive and unfair justice system to attempt to defeat Trump is a deliberate move to make him sympathetic to the left and independent voters.

6. Some sort of test to see what exactly the Democratic Party can get away with? When combining all the failures of the administration and the rampant hatred of old white men that the left has been stoking for the past 10 years... why not shuffle out this old white man who seems confused and inept just to see how much the voters on the left are willing to take before they get angry at their own party?

7. Full blown denial. Those in charge of such decisions genuinely believe that Joe is either still up to the job or actually doing well....and the voters agree. This would take a very cynical optimistic, perhaps even delusional perspective, but who knows who is running things at the moment anyway? Maybe they do think he's doing good.

Thoughts?

Answers I'm not interested in are....

1. Tradition. This administration has broken a lot of traditions and not just a few laws so I don't think they care more about running an incumbent president than they do winning.

2. He's not Trump. Technically, anyone who the left runs isn't Trump so....it's not really a reason to run Joe.

Again....looking for reasons why the Democratic Party decided to run Joe Biden again, despite extremely low approval ratings, poor performance on key issues like the economy, immigration, education, the wars we're now funding, etc....and his obvious mental decline.
 

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It's not clear where Biden was going or what he was doing....but it appears to be one of those unfortunate incidents where the Biden wranglers weren't nearby because of the photo op and Biden (as is traditional for him in these situations) seems to begin wandering off...
In the full, unedited video, Biden – who was standing with the group of leaders as a parachutist carrying a G7 banner landed in front of them – briefly turned away to give a thumbs-up to several parachutists who had landed behind the group, along with a parachute rigger who was kneeling on the ground to pack up one of the skydiver’s chutes and the French flag.

Other leaders, including Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and French President Emmanuel Macron, also briefly look toward that group. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni then walks toward Biden, taps him on the arm, and motions for him to join the other leaders who were being briefed by an Italian Army officer about the demonstration they just watched.

But the video shared by the Post on X cropped out the kneeling parachute rigger, omitting the context of why Biden walked away from the group. “President Biden appeared to wander off at the G7 summit in Italy, with officials needing to pull him back to focus,” the social-media post said.


 
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In the full, unedited video, Biden – who was standing with the group of leaders as a parachutist carrying a G7 banner landed in front of them – briefly turned away to give a thumbs-up to several parachutists who had landed behind the group, along with a parachute rigger who was kneeling on the ground to pack up one of the skydiver’s chutes and the French flag.
Unfortunately CNN hasn’t yet released the full unedited video, at least not in this “story”.
 
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It's not clear where Biden was going or what he was doing....but it appears to be one of those unfortunate incidents where the Biden wranglers weren't nearby because of the photo op and Biden (as is traditional for him in these situations) seems to begin wandering off...

Do you always fall for highly edited and misleading videos from the NY Post?
 
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The Republican National Committee posts a clipped video. Then the New York Post, the Telegraph and other pro-Trump outlets follow suit with the same deceptive framing.

On June 13, at about 1 p.m., the RNC posted a clip it captioned, “What is Biden doing?” The post has been viewed more than 3 million times. Biden is seen with other Group of Seven leaders watching skydivers in Italy, carrying the flags of the nations. Biden turns and walks a few steps to chat with one of the parachutists, the only leader to do so. Then Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni turns him back to the other leaders. In one feed distributed by news services — the one used by the RNC — it’s not entirely clear who Biden is talking to, but an alternative feed, also distributed by news services, makes it clear that Biden is having a conversation.

The New York Post jumped on the RNC clip, posting a story less than two hours later and embedding the RNC post. When the White House cried foul, saying the video had been taken out of context, the newspaper buried that comment in the bottom of the story, while noting that the video feed had been distributed by news services. (None characterized it as the RNC did. C-SPAN, for instance, titled its video: “President Biden & G-7 Leaders Watch Skydiving Demonstration.”)
The New York Post went on to make the fake story the cover of its print edition.


 
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It's not clear where Biden was going or what he was doing....but it appears to be one of those unfortunate incidents where the Biden wranglers weren't nearby because of the photo op and Biden (as is traditional for him in these situations) seems to begin wandering off...


Now, is this the worst I've seen him during this administration? No. No the worst has to be the Vietnam press speech....


Now...it's not really a question of whether or not Biden's mental state has deteriorated. He's spoken to the press less than any president in the past 40 years. He's spent more of his time in office on vacation than any other president (depending on who you ask, other sources have him closer to Trump’s time on vacation)


I don't think it really matters much...I've never seen the white house have to correct the president so many times nor have I ever seen so many whistleblowers from so many agencies. My personal favorites are the IRS specialists on international money laundering accusing him of corruption and the old lady from HHS speaking at length about how over 100,000 unaccompanied children were given to known criminals and human traffickers with little regard for their safety and no accountability for where they are or what conditions they are in.

I'm not here to rip apart Biden....it would take too long. From the Afghanistan withdrawal to funneling endless cash and arms into the Ukraine where liberals ignore war crimes and Gaza where liberals complain about war crimes....this presidency is just a series of low points and crony capitalism....and abuse of the DOJ and executive branch.

I'm asking anyone and everyone....why do you think Democrats decided to run Biden despite the many problems with both his administration and mental state? Here's some suggestions starting with what I think is most likely....followed by guesses in no particular order. Say what you will about the right or republicans....they at least trotted out some options other than Trump for the US voters to choose from whether it was DeSantis, Ramaswamy, or that one unqualified lady who thought the civil war had something to do with "states rights".

Did the left decide to run Joe because...

1. He's so far gone he isn't making any decisions, and whomever is making them in his place won't be held accountable for them as Joe continues to get the blame.

2. There's really nobody else to vote for on the left. This is essentially the reason Joe ran and won the nomination in 2020. He still had familiarity with voters from his time as VP and although clearly a lie...a return to the steady leadership of those days during covid and 2020 riots was appealing.

3. The issues/platform. Joe's positions on the issues of the day really resonate with the voters. This seems unlikely as I've yet to have a real life discussion with a Biden voter who knows his positions on any issues and that seems appropriate since it doesn't appear Biden knows either.

4. He's doing a good job. Again, seems unlikely with his approval ratings that many people think this....but it's somewhere above 30% so technically 3-4 out of 10 Americans seem to approve of the job he's doing.

5. They actually want Trump to win. This one is for the conspiracy theorists out there who think that the 4 years of complaining about an oppressive and unfair justice system to appeal to the feelings of voters on the left, and then using that oppressive and unfair justice system to attempt to defeat Trump is a deliberate move to make him sympathetic to the left and independent voters.

6. Some sort of test to see what exactly the Democratic Party can get away with? When combining all the failures of the administration and the rampant hatred of old white men that the left has been stoking for the past 10 years... why not shuffle out this old white man who seems confused and inept just to see how much the voters on the left are willing to take before they get angry at their own party?

7. Full blown denial. Those in charge of such decisions genuinely believe that Joe is either still up to the job or actually doing well....and the voters agree. This would take a very cynical optimistic, perhaps even delusional perspective, but who knows who is running things at the moment anyway? Maybe they do think he's doing good.

Thoughts?

Answers I'm not interested in are....

1. Tradition. This administration has broken a lot of traditions and not just a few laws so I don't think they care more about running an incumbent president than they do winning.

2. He's not Trump. Technically, anyone who the left runs isn't Trump so....it's not really a reason to run Joe.

Again....looking for reasons why the Democratic Party decided to run Joe Biden again, despite extremely low approval ratings, poor performance on key issues like the economy, immigration, education, the wars we're now funding, etc....and his obvious mental decline.
When the democrats made the decision to run Biden for a second term although he made some "gaffs" as they all do ... the gaffs did not really show any serious mental decline. I don't think they were concerned about it ... now they are concerned about it but just not saying so publicly .... they continue to support and protect him (limiting his public exposure) ... personally I believe within the next 2 months Biden will step down (due to health reasons) and the presidential candidate will be Kamala with Gavin Newsom as VP ... we will see what happens ???

Is Biden running the country? No ... the deep state is.

Deep State

a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies and/or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.
 
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When the democrats made the decision to run Biden for a second term although he made some "gaffs" as they all do .
We are being told that this (running Biden) is still up in the air, and officially, that’s correct since the DNC hasn’t been held yet. (August 19-22)
 
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Is Biden running the country? No ... the deep state is.

Deep State

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Can you name some of these people? Just one Deep Statist, if you would be so kind.
 
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It's not clear where Biden was going or what he was doing....but it appears to be one of those unfortunate incidents where the Biden wranglers weren't nearby because of the photo op and Biden (as is traditional for him in these situations) seems to begin wandering off...


Now, is this the worst I've seen him during this administration? No. No the worst has to be the Vietnam press speech....


Now...it's not really a question of whether or not Biden's mental state has deteriorated. He's spoken to the press less than any president in the past 40 years. He's spent more of his time in office on vacation than any other president (depending on who you ask, other sources have him closer to Trump’s time on vacation)


I don't think it really matters much...I've never seen the white house have to correct the president so many times nor have I ever seen so many whistleblowers from so many agencies. My personal favorites are the IRS specialists on international money laundering accusing him of corruption and the old lady from HHS speaking at length about how over 100,000 unaccompanied children were given to known criminals and human traffickers with little regard for their safety and no accountability for where they are or what conditions they are in.

I'm not here to rip apart Biden....it would take too long. From the Afghanistan withdrawal to funneling endless cash and arms into the Ukraine where liberals ignore war crimes and Gaza where liberals complain about war crimes....this presidency is just a series of low points and crony capitalism....and abuse of the DOJ and executive branch.

I'm asking anyone and everyone....why do you think Democrats decided to run Biden despite the many problems with both his administration and mental state? Here's some suggestions starting with what I think is most likely....followed by guesses in no particular order. Say what you will about the right or republicans....they at least trotted out some options other than Trump for the US voters to choose from whether it was DeSantis, Ramaswamy, or that one unqualified lady who thought the civil war had something to do with "states rights".

Did the left decide to run Joe because...

1. He's so far gone he isn't making any decisions, and whomever is making them in his place won't be held accountable for them as Joe continues to get the blame.

2. There's really nobody else to vote for on the left. This is essentially the reason Joe ran and won the nomination in 2020. He still had familiarity with voters from his time as VP and although clearly a lie...a return to the steady leadership of those days during covid and 2020 riots was appealing.

3. The issues/platform. Joe's positions on the issues of the day really resonate with the voters. This seems unlikely as I've yet to have a real life discussion with a Biden voter who knows his positions on any issues and that seems appropriate since it doesn't appear Biden knows either.

4. He's doing a good job. Again, seems unlikely with his approval ratings that many people think this....but it's somewhere above 30% so technically 3-4 out of 10 Americans seem to approve of the job he's doing.

5. They actually want Trump to win. This one is for the conspiracy theorists out there who think that the 4 years of complaining about an oppressive and unfair justice system to appeal to the feelings of voters on the left, and then using that oppressive and unfair justice system to attempt to defeat Trump is a deliberate move to make him sympathetic to the left and independent voters.

6. Some sort of test to see what exactly the Democratic Party can get away with? When combining all the failures of the administration and the rampant hatred of old white men that the left has been stoking for the past 10 years... why not shuffle out this old white man who seems confused and inept just to see how much the voters on the left are willing to take before they get angry at their own party?

7. Full blown denial. Those in charge of such decisions genuinely believe that Joe is either still up to the job or actually doing well....and the voters agree. This would take a very cynical optimistic, perhaps even delusional perspective, but who knows who is running things at the moment anyway? Maybe they do think he's doing good.

Thoughts?

Answers I'm not interested in are....

1. Tradition. This administration has broken a lot of traditions and not just a few laws so I don't think they care more about running an incumbent president than they do winning.

2. He's not Trump. Technically, anyone who the left runs isn't Trump so....it's not really a reason to run Joe.

Again....looking for reasons why the Democratic Party decided to run Joe Biden again, despite extremely low approval ratings, poor performance on key issues like the economy, immigration, education, the wars we're now funding, etc....and his obvious mental decline.
Although any of the reasons you suggest could be possible, I think you're missing the most obvious - because he beat Trump the first time. The bigger question is why are the Republicans running a convicted felon and wannabe dictator who already tried to overthrow our government and has lost two popular votes plus many other key elections by proxy. I think there are several possibilities for that also, ranging from some sort of political Stockholm Syndrome to a bizarre and pathetic cult worship, but I suspect many like the idea of a theocracy and don't mind dismantling our democracy in favor of authoritarianism because of the right's losing streak and the fact that a Republican hasn't won the popular vote since in a presidential race in 20 years. I don't love Biden, but I'd rather have him stumbling around that the scorched earth that another Trump term/dictatorship would no doubt bring.
 
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Although any of the reasons you suggest could be possible, I think you're missing the most obvious - because he beat Trump the first time.

Fair enough. I didn't consider that because it wasn't exactly a blowout....and the general premise behind it was even if he's a mediocre president, he'll do better than Trump. That's a message that really worked in 2020 where we had both covid (an epidemic unlike any of us have seen in our lives) and 3 months of record breaking riots causing billions in damage and destroying countless lives.

But fair point....he did beat him last time.





The bigger question is why are the Republicans running a convicted felon and wannabe dictator who already tried to overthrow our government and has lost two popular votes plus many other key elections by proxy.

What exactly was the charge that he was convicted of? I haven't been paying attention....



I think there are several possibilities for that also, ranging from some sort of political Stockholm Syndrome to a bizarre and pathetic cult worship, but I suspect many like the idea of a theocracy and don't mind dismantling our democracy in favor of authoritarianism because of the right's losing streak and the fact that a Republican hasn't won the popular vote since in a presidential race in 20 years. I don't love Biden, but I'd rather have him stumbling around that the scorched earth that another Trump term/dictatorship would no doubt bring.

Well the simple answer for why he's the candidate is....

1. The Republican Party gave the voters other options and Trump was by far the most popular.

2. Trump's beating Biden in polls in battleground states he lost last election.

The fact that more Republican voters wanted him as a candidate and voters overall seem to prefer Trump to Biden (his approval this time in 2020 was 3% higher than Biden currently is...and that's despite nationwide riots, covid, and arguably 4 years of the harshest media coverage of any president in history).
 
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We are being told that this (running Biden) is still up in the air, and officially, that’s correct since the DNC hasn’t been held yet. (August 19-22)

You think they'll run someone else?
 
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