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An Adventist view of the Sabbath Commandment - and why it is applicable to all mankind

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Exodus 20
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The Ten Commandments
20 These are the things God told his people:

2 “I am the Lord your God. I am the one who freed you from the land of Egypt, where you were slaves.

was not addressed to all nations. It was addressed to whom?
 
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All the "all mankind" Is 66:23 and "Made for Mankind" Mark 2:27 statements by Christ - stand affirmed even by the Bible scholars in almost ALL Christian denominations. When it comes to the TEN including the 4th.

When we look at the New Covenant texts which are Jer 31:31-34 "I will make a NEW Covenant... this IS the Covenant I will make..." also found in Heb 8:6-12 -- with whom does God say He makes it?

Turns out -- it is the SAME group as the Sabbath is targeting.

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That's the easy part of the discussion.

So maybe you are asking how it is that the New Covenant and the Sabbath apply to all...?
 
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And the crazy thing is God ultimately wanted to give them rest, but instead they continually wanted to go back into slavery.
 
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yes we remember the Sabbath, and Christ is the Sabbath. We are not obligated to keep it as the Jews keep it or kept it, but if you want to do that you can. We just don’t judge people that don’t. Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast, and the Catholic Church is not going to start a persecution campaign against Saturday worshipers
Christ is our Sabbath in that we rest from our Earthly labors. He tells us not to store up treasures on earth where moth and rust destroy and thieves break in and steal, but put our treasure in heaven. He tells us not to worry about what we should eat what should we drink where we will live. Seek first the kingdoms of God and all these will be added.
We still do earthly work, but we need not obsess over it or worry about it. Christ is our rest. He is the Sabbath. When we look at that it is easy to see Romans 14 where it says one honors the day the other treats every day alike. The Sabbath is not lost but is fulfilled
 
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I think you might rethink that.

Jesus taught that to be angry with your brother is to be guilty of murder. You do not find that written in Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5.
First off you said
Moses wrote in how they were to observe the command of the Sabbath, in with the commandments instead of just outside of them like the others.

The details of how they were to observe the ten commands followed in the rest of the Torah.

So Where in the Torah did Jesus say this that you claim He said??

Here in Matt 5 is where He said it. I wonder what the phrase "without cause" means. You seemed to miss that. Do you think it is important?

In respect to this, God has also counseled us to, Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Eph 4:26


Matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Nice that you went to Matthew.

Because not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law until heaven are passed and ALL is fulfilled ACCORDING to Jesus.

And by the way if we break one of the least of the commandments and teach men so we shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven?
What does it mean to be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven?

It means that those who break the commandments and teach men so shall in no case enter in.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 
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where does it say Christ is our Sabbath? And why you are at it where does it say the Sabbath is fulfilled?
 
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You don’t know what you are speaking. Those who break one of the least of the Commandments and teach man so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. How shall they be called least in the kingdom of heaven? They shall in no case enter there in
 
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I know what I am speaking. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17) Are you using your argument above to teach that believers today absolutely must keep the sabbath day or else they will not be saved? Are you judging and condemning me?
 
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yes we remember the Sabbath,

Good news. What exactly do you do to "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"??

and Christ is the Sabbath.

I assume you have no actual Bible text that says that.

We are not obligated to keep it

Then in your POV you don't have a "Sabbath obligation"?? A binding requirement set by God's Sabbath commandment?

Is the phrase "the NINE commandments" as a doctrinal teaching in the CCC??

Christ is our Sabbath in that we rest from our Earthly labors.

So no work for you? How do you get paid?


Seek first the kingdoms of God and all these will be added.

And also "if anyone will not work - neither let him eat" 2 Thess 3:10

We still do earthly work,

Interesting how that contrasts with

we rest from our Earthly labors.

it is easy to see Romans 14 where it says one honors the day the other treats every day alike. The Sabbath is not lost but is fulfilled

1. "Alike" is an insert in Rom 14 and most translators tell the readers by printing it in italics.
2. The weekly Sabbath is not mentioned at all in Rom 14
3. Even the RCC does not allow for the teaching that the weekly Sabbath commandment is "optional" - instead the RCC affirms that all TEN are forever and are written on the heart under the New Covenant.
4. The text says "one man observes one day above another while another man observes every day.. he who observes the day observes it for the Lord" - this is a reference to the Lev 23 list of Bible-approved annual holy days where 3 were required and the rest were optional in the OT.

In "The Faith Explained" - a commentary on the CCC after Vatican II - Leo Trese explains that the Catholic church teaches that the Sabbath obligation still remains - and while the "Lord's Day" as given in the Bible was Saturday - it is now changed to point to week-day-1, Sunday. Dies Domini affirms that all Ten are forever and all Ten are written on the heart for all mankind.

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Catholic Catechism shows that all ten - ( the Decalogue) are a single unit and form grave obligation for all mankind - to this very day.

2076 By his life and by his preaching Jesus attested to the permanent validity of the Decalogue.

2077 The gift of the Decalogue is bestowed from within the covenant concluded by God with his people. God's commandments take on their true meaning in and through this covenant.

2078 In fidelity to Scripture and in conformity with Jesus' example, the tradition of the Church has always acknowledged the primordial importance and significance of the Decalogue.

2079 The Decalogue forms an organic unity in which each "word" or "commandment" refers to all the others taken together. To transgress one commandment is to infringe the whole Law (cf. Jas 2:10-11).

2080 The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.

2081 The Ten Commandments, in their fundamental content, state grave obligations. However, obedience to these precepts also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light.

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Which is why "The Catholic Catechism" is also included in the OP list.
 
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Hi HIM good scriptures you posted in regards to Matthew 5:17-19 from the words of Jesus.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods' 4th commandment which is one of Gods' 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest.

This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to disregard Gods' Word. Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. James tells us if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin and breaking all of them.

Paul tells us in Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath, while Jesus says that he did not come to destroy the law or the prophets in Matthew 5:17. John even tells us that those who know God and are His people keep His commandments in 1 John 2:3-4 as they are born again and do not practice sin in 1 John 3:6-9. Both John and James define sin as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments in 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11 agreeing with Paul who says that God's law when broken gives us a knowledge of what sin which is defined as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7.

What is sad is some like to cherry pick scripture to try to read into the scriptures what they do not say and do not teach to try and justify disobedience to Gods' law when according to Jesus God's love is expressed in obedience to his law not by breaking it according to Matthew 22:36-40; Matthew 7:21-23. Paul, James and John all agreeing with Jesus in Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 and 1 John 5:2-4.

Breaking God's law is one of the definitions of sin according to the scriptures in *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. According to the scriptures all those who knowingly practice sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word * James 4:17 will not enter into the kingdom of heaven once they receive and knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and reject it because they reject the gift of Gods' dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace and are in danger of the judgement according to Paul in Hebrews 10:26-31; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31.

John says Gods' saints and His children are those who obey him and keep His commandments in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 5:4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14 not break them. According to John those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God and are the children of the devil in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10.

According to Paul faith does not abolish the law it establishes Gods' law in those who have been born again to love God *1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 5:2-4; John 14:15; John 15:10 and believe and follow Gods' Word in Romans 3:31.

God bless.
 
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Well, just about anyone can find a 'just cause' to 'justify' their actions.

I would be more on the cautious side of angry than letting anger happen and then trying to justify it.

However, I did not claim Jesus was quoting from the Torah, other than when He said - "You have heard it say, you shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgement". That is what He quoted from the Torah.

The point is, being angry(without a just cause) is not a part of the 10 commandment list - but only "you shall not murder".

So someone could be angry, beat someone almost to death, but then say "I did not murder them, so I did not break the commandment".

You like to quote about breaking and teaching the least commandments of the law huh? So do you teach others the whole law? Do you teach others to do the following? Do you do it?

[Num 28:1-6 ESV]

The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Command the people of Israel and say to them, 'My offering, my food for my food offerings, my pleasing aroma, you shall be careful to offer to me at its appointed time.' And you shall say to them, This is the food offering that you shall offer to the LORD: two male lambs a year old without blemish, day by day, as a regular offering. The one lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight; also a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with a quarter of a hin of beaten oil. It is a regular burnt offering, which was ordained at Mount Sinai for a pleasing aroma, a food offering to the LORD.
 
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I know what I am speaking. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17) Are you using your argument above to teach that believers today absolutely must keep the sabbath day or else they will not be saved? Are you judging and condemning me?
Your silence speaks volumes HIM and your argument is just another demonstration of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" (Galatians 1:6-9) just as SDA's teach.
 
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Those who break one of the least of the Commandments and teach man so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

hmm - I see you are quoting the words of Christ in Matt 5:19 - it will be interesting to see how that works out for you. It did not work out all that well for Christ in His day.

You might want to reserve that part of Christ's teaching for less general topic threads or some may take offense when they see that you are quoting what He said in Matt 5:19. Some people might think that Christ taught "salvation by grace plus works" and that in quoting Him - you also are teaching that sort of thing.
 
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Your silence speaks volumes HIM and your argument is just another demonstration of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" (Galatians 1:6-9) just as SDA's teach.
Let's talk scripture Dan,

Please don't make claims no one is stating here as it is misleading and not truthful as I do not know any SDA's that teach "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" (Galatians 1:6-9).

Let's discuss the scriptures. There is no Grace without Gods' law because Gods' law leads us to Gods' grace according to the scriptures *Galatians 3:22-25; Matthew 9:12-13. God's law shows us that we are all sinners in need of Gods' salvation and leads is to Christ that we might receive His forgiveness through faith.

How do we know what sin is? *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. How do we know we are sinners in need of Gods' salvation and His saving grace (Romans 3:20; Romans 3:23)? It is through the law that is our school master that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. So if we do away with God's law we do away with the school master that gives us the very knowledge of what sin is when broken and the scripture is fulfilled "they that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick" Jesus did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance and it is sinners that receive Gods' Grace through faith. Jesus is the great Physician we are the ones sick with sin and Jesus told the Scribes and the Pharisees to go and learn what that means in Matthew 9:12-13.

According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *Romans 1:5 not disobedience to the faith (God's Word). Obedience to God's Law of course is not how we are saved it is the fruit of faith of one that has been born again to love and walk in Gods' Spirit *1 John 5:2-4; Galatians 5:16 that has already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27.

According to the scriptures if our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10.

John says that, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Now getting back on topic and application back to God's 4th commandment and "seventh day Sabbath". Is Gods' 4th commandment one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11? Are we in a saved state before God if we are knowingly practicing unrepentant sin according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Hebrews 10:26-31 in your view?

Now Dan what is it in the scriptures provided here that you do not agree with?
 
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where does it say Christ is our Sabbath? And why you are at it where does it say the Sabbath is fulfilled?

Matthew 11:28-30
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Sabbath is rest, Jesus Christ promised rest to those that come to Him. He also said that He is Lord of the Sabbath. That means He rules it but is not ruled by it. We worship our Lord, not a day. This is the teaching of the Apostles from the catechism of the Catholic church. It explains it pretty well.


CHAPTER ONE
"YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

ARTICLE 3
THE THIRD COMMANDMENT




Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90
The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.91

* I. THE SABBATH DAY

2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."92

2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."93

2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."94

2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.

2172 God's action is the model for human action. If God "rested and was refreshed" on the seventh day, man too ought to "rest" and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."96 The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."102

II. THE LORD'S DAY



This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103
The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:



We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106
Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107



Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108
2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

90 Ex 20:8-10; cf. Deut 5:12-15.
91 Mk 2:27-28.
92 Ex 31:15.
93 Ex 20:11.
94 Deut 5:15.
95 Cf. Ex 31:16.
96 Ex 31:17; cf. 23:12.
97 Cf. Neh 13:15-22; 2 Chr 36:21.
98 Cf. Mk 1:21; Jn 9:16.
99 Mk 2:27.
100 Cf. Mk 3:4.
101 Cf. Mt 12:5; Jn 7:23.
102 Mk 2:28.
103 Ps 118:24.
104 Cf. Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1.
105 Cf. Mk 16:1; Mt 28:1.
106 St. Justin, I Apol. 67G 6,429 and 432.
107 Cf. 1 Cor 10:11.
108 St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Magn. 9,1:SCh 10,88.
109 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II,122,4.
 
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A great example of a text that does not say "Christ is our Sabbath"

Mark 6:31 "31 And He *said to them, “Come away by yourselves to a secluded place and rest a little while.” (For there were many people coming and going, and they did not even have time to eat.)"

Another great example of a text that does not say "Christ is our Sabbath" or "come Sabbath a while"

He also said that He is Lord of the Sabbath. That means He rules it but is not ruled by it.

Indeed - the "Lord's Day".
And just as He is not "ruled by" the command "do not covet" and the command "do not take God's name in vain" He is also not "ruled by" His own command to remember His own Sabbath day made by Him when He made the world.

We worship our Lord, not a day. We worship Him on the day He made for worship because as He said "if you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 not "IF you Love Me BREAK My commandments".

"This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2 - which are also written on heart and mind according to Jeremiah and his statement on the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34
 
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This is the teaching of the Apostles from the catechism of the Catholic church. It explains it pretty well.

Agreed it explains their view on the Sabbath well.



CHAPTER ONE
"YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

ARTICLE 3
THE THIRD COMMANDMENT




Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90
The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.91

* I. THE SABBATH DAY

2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the Sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."92

2169 In speaking of the Sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."93

2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day."94

2172 God's action is the model for human action. If God "rested and was refreshed" on the seventh day, man too ought to "rest" and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."96 The Sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the Sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the Sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The Sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."102

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So then
1. it is the "Lord's day"
2. it is part of the Decalogue
3. it points directly to Gen 2:1-3 creation week.

And of course - we just saw what they think of the Decalogue -




IN BRIEF

2189 "Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is the Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD" (Ex 31:15).
 
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=============== fine then where do we differ???

2190 The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ

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We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106
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That is the sort of "replacement theology" that we do not agree with
 
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Is it your contention that the Church apostatized very early after her founding by worshipping on Sunday? Jesus gave the promise that He would build His church on Peter, and the gates of hell would not prevail against it, but you say the church failed because they worship on Sunday instead of Saturday? Is that true?

Are you Seventh Day Adventist, or do you associate with another Sabbath keeping congregation?

I am asking honestly so I know where you stand and we are not talking past eachother
 
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