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huh.Scott_LaFrance said:I get the suspiscion that Egghead just likes to argue while seldom having a rational, arguable position. Must be a testosterone thing.
Scott_LaFrance said:What are the chances that one of your employees will ever make more money than you?
I like my childish comments, thank you very much. And for the most part, I have kept my comments on point, or haven't you been reading.Egghead said:huh.
Where were YOU when the other poster was telling me not to speak about things I dont know about AFTER I have made it VERY clear that I HAVE looked into Amway, and very heavily ?
How about you keep your childish comments to yourself and stick to the topic of the thread
Where do you want me to send my 1099's so you can "verify" them? Or would you just like the name and phone number of my accountant so he can prove it to you?Egghead said:As soon as employees put in the money that I invested in equipment, are willing to deal with the extra paperwork, willing to accept the risks of losing ones shirt if the business fails, want to deal with insurance, workers comp, taxes, etc, etc, etc......then they are free to go out and do so and make whatever they feel they can.
Amway is NOT like a normal business.
NORMAL sales employees either make a SALARY PLUS commission or they make quite a bit more than 2-3% per sale.
Not one that Ive met has ever done anything but lost money, constanty putting in thier own cash to make it to the ''next level''
Now you tell me, how many people ACTUALLY make it to where they are being supported COMFORTABLY just by Amway income?
And Ill expect actual verifiable data to back any assertions you make just so we know you have a "rational, arguable position"
Thats it, dodge the questionScott_LaFrance said:Where do you want me to send my 1099's so you can "verify" them? Or would you just like the name and phone number of my accountant so he can prove it to you?
Everyone I have known personally in Amway, approximately 20 people, have never made any money in it.I will give you this. If you treat your Quixtar business like a real, legitimate business, you will probably succeed.
wrong.If you treat it like a hobby, you will fail miserably and end up being one of those pathetic crybabies on the internet who say that your upline fleeced you. It is what you make of it.
That's okay, you and your friends are beholden to the S quadrant. Most S quadrant business owners are scared to death of the B quadrant. It's a control thing. I get it. What happens to your business if you become incapacitated?Egghead said:Thats it, dodge the question
let me repeat it for you...
"Now you tell me, how many people ACTUALLY make it to where they are being supported COMFORTABLY just by Amway income?"
Give us an ACCURATE and VERFIABLE percentage of members totally supported and ''comfortably'' by Amway alone.
Then I wonder what percent of people work real jobs who make enough to live comfortably.
Everyone I have known personally in Amway, approximately 20 people, have never made any money in it.
two of these are men who are the most motivated individuals Ive ever met.
The one put his all into Amway.....nothing.
So he bought the same kind of equipment I had, he purchased one of my machines, and within 60 days was looking to expand.
He now does very little with amway, but has his own business, has hired 4 salepeople, and is making as much money as our old employees, if not more.
Amway relys too heavily on those people beneath you being motivated to buy from themselves AND find new members.
When you cant find enough motivated people to fall under you, you make only a couple percent off an occasional sale of Nikes.
Amway is nothing like a normal job or business.
It offers promises of wealth to all that only a few end up making.
Those few at the top feed off those at the bottom.
That is a fact whether you admit it or not.
wrong.
If it were ONLY based on YOUR motivation, then it might succeed.
Its not.
It is based on the success and motivation of every person below you.
If they fail, you fail.
If my employees didnt want to work, Id just do all the work myself.....just as I always did.
hmmm.Scott_LaFrance said:That's okay, you and your friends are beholden to the S quadrant. Most S quadrant business owners are scared to death of the B quadrant. It's a control thing. I get it. What happens to your business if you become incapacitated?
Do most people fail to make respectable income in Multi-level marketing. Yes. Do most traditional businesses fail in the first 5 years of operation. Yes. What's your point?Egghead said:hmmm.
Dodged my question yet again
the point is in a REAL business you know the risks.Scott_LaFrance said:Do most people fail to make respectable income in Multi-level marketing. Yes. Do most traditional businesses fail in the first 5 years of operation. Yes. What's your point?
Scott_LaFrance said:Do most people fail to make respectable income in Multi-level marketing. Yes. Do most traditional businesses fail in the first 5 years of operation. Yes. What's your point?
This is a bunch of horse poo. If you are a good salesmen, there is plenty of good money to be made just retailing products. I know a guy who makes over $100,000 a year just marketing cleaning products to janitorial and cleaning companies. He has NO ONE in his downline. Amway is a blank slate, you can make what you want out of it and the nice thing is that because you can drop ship products within days to anywhere in the country, you don't need employees or carry a large inventory. I carry lots of sample, but I seldom keep a large stock of products to sell outright. You checked out Amway and didn't like it. I checked it out and did like it. YOu claim that people can't make money with it, but I DO make great money with it. I've never lied about it, misrepresented it, or taken advantage of anyone. I've never forced anyone to do anything they didn't want to do, or go anywhere they didn't want to go, or buy anything they didn't want to buy.Egghead said:the point is in a REAL business you know the risks.
Rarely are you promised wealth.
Take my mom for instance.
She loves arts and crafts.
She has taken classes to do Ballon Decor and Event Decorating, not much investment there at all.
She bought a helium tank, a bow machine (to make gift bows), lots of craft stuff, etc, etc.
Ive seen this woman take one day, make a few balloon beauquets, do a little running to set them up, add a few decorations, and gross $4000 for one day.
Minus her help and material she ended up putting $2800 in her pocket.
She paid her help, one person who only did deliveries that day, $200.
She took cheap classes on doing professional wedding cakes, as well.
When she decorates a wedding, not including the cake, she averages $800-1000 for a day.
That is her take home after paying for help and material.
When she does shows, making her crafts stuff, if she was really prepared, she makes, after material, over $2000 for a two day weekend.
This is all without ANY advertising and no storefront.
My mother ''fails'' because she has no motivation, no consistancy.
She has shown many times she can make a LOT of money doing what she does, but cant keep it up for losing interest.
With her tho, she knows where she stands.
No one promised her riches, and she knows if she doesnt work, she wont make any money.
With Amway, you can put your heart and blood into it and if you cannot find motivated people, and the people you find cant find more motivated people willing to put their own money out to get to the ''next level'' each month, then you most likely arent going to make squat.
At a REAL job you clock in, you work, you get paid.
Amway is more like the lottery, some win, most dont.
As I said, some win, most lose.Scott_LaFrance said:This is a bunch of horse poo. If you are a good salesmen, there is plenty of good money to be made just retailing products. I know a guy who makes over $100,000 a year just marketing cleaning products to janitorial and cleaning companies.
And how much product do you need to sell to make say $1000 per week ?He has NO ONE in his downline. Amway is a blank slate, you can make what you want out of it and the nice thing is that because you can drop ship products within days to anywhere in the country, you don't need employees or carry a large inventory.
Uh no, I checked out Amway, wasnt sure, then did more homework with people I know in Amway.You checked out Amway and didn't like it.
when did I say ''cant''YOu claim that people can't make money with it, but I DO make great money with it.
I've never lied about it, misrepresented it, or taken advantage of anyone.
Did you ever pressure anyone to pay their startup fees?I've never forced anyone to do anything they didn't want to do, or go anywhere they didn't want to go, or buy anything they didn't want to buy.
Uh no, I checked out Amway, wasnt sure, then did more homework with people I know in Amway.
You checked out Amway and didn't like it.
guardianspirit said:If you haven't been in this business or at least thoroughly checked it out, it would be better not to comment on something you don't know about.
My bad.Egghead said:I DID check it out quite extensively.
so next time you spout something out here, make sure YOU know what youre talking about.....thanks
Egghead said:You cant rely on salesmanship like in other businesses, you have to rely on those under you purchasing from themselves on the order of approx $200 a month
So all your doing is "convincing" them to buy "$200 a month" of stuff they already buy from themselves instead of another business.guardianspirit said:As far as the products go, a lot of the products are essentials such as toilet paper, soap, shampoo, & laundry detergent. They also sell a lot of food such as cereal, spaghetti, microwavable dinners, rice, soups, and canned vegetables. So it's not high-pressure sales. Your just asking people to buy the stuff from Quixtar instead of Wal-mart, Costco, Shopco, and the grocery store (you would obviously still need to buy dairy, meats, and produce from the grocery store).
No, people who want to register ask me to do it. I'm not in the business of chasing people around and begging them to make money.Egghead said:As I said, some win, most lose.
Ill ask once again..
Did you ever pressure anyone to pay their startup fees?
Honestly?
I've got to disagree, I use amway's laundry detergent and their liquid cleanser. I've not found anything to work as well, and the price is comparable to any other quality product.seebs said:I know enough about Amway already.
Here's the thing. Ignore that it's pitched as a business for a moment, and compare it to the way cults are run. Amway strongly encourages people who aren't doing well to stay quiet, and people who are doing well to brag, creating the false impression that people are doing pretty well at it.
With all of the various "network marketing" schemes, the products are, in fact, not worth what you pay; if they were, there wouldn't be the profit margin that allows for all the "success stories".
Amway "succeeds" (I use the term loosely) through very aggressive pushes that don't actually make most of the people involved any money at all, and competes through tactics such as disseminating specific calculated slanders of other companies through their corporate voice-mail system to make sure all Amway reps tell the same lies; for instance, that P&G's old logo was Satanic, or that Tide is made from old peanut shells and clogs your drain.
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