Amos 8:14 - What happened to Dan?

[G4m]

Amos 8
14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

My question is who is Dan here? The tribe of Dan or just the place?

1 Kings 12
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.

Could it be this place?

Joshua 19
47 And the coast of the children of Dan went out too little for them: therefore the children of Dan went up to fight against Leshem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and possessed it, and dwelt therein, and called Leshem, Dan, after the name of Dan their father.

I know that it was used as a saying to define Israel's and Judah's territory:

1 Kings 4
25 And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.



My take on it is that the place of Dan became a place to worship idols made to directly replace God. The thing I don't understand is if at this time the place of Dan was under control by the Danites, which thus led to them being removed from the recognised 12 tribes of Israel (as stated in Rev 7 and 14).

 

[RVincent]

You hit the nail on the head G4m.

This is why the tribe of Dan is left out of Revelation 7:4-8, but re-instated during the Millenium (Ezek. 48:1-2, 42).

 

[inhimitrust]

In the land division of Ezekiel, it shows the 12 tribes including Dan and Ephraim. The 12 tribes in revelation show Levi and Joseph(house of Judah). If revelation is the destruction of Jerusalem, then Dan and Ephraim would replace them. If the 2 "horns" of the beast of the "earth" represented these 2 tribes (joseph and levi), then the 10 "horns" of the beast from the "sea" would be the other 10 tribes.
To me, the 2 beasts represent 2 nations, the 10 northern tribes of Israel and the 2 southern tribes of Judah, with the beast of the "earth" being the harlot and also the one being destroyed (fall of "babylon"). If it is still future, I couldn't even guess what they represent, as I like to keep my interpretaion as biblical as possible, as 12 tribes are mentioned and 2 "beasts". Sounds a lot like the OT 12 tribes and 2 "nations" to me, and I believe revelation brought both nations together as one under one King, Christ. I am open to other interpretations of course, as long as it is scriptural only and not outside the bible. After all, the NT did fulfill the OT according to Christ.

jeremiah 4:15 For a voice declares from Dan("a judge") And proclaims affliction from Mount Ephraim("double ash-heap: I shall be doubly fruitful"): 16 "Make mention to the nations, Yes, proclaim against Jerusalem, [That] watchers come from a far country And raise their voice against the cities of Judah. 17 Like keepers of a field they are against her all around, Because she has been rebellious against Me," says the LORD. 18 "Your ways and your doings Have procured these [things] for you. This [is] your wickedness, Because it is bitter, Because it reaches to your heart."


Joshua 21:5 and for the sons of Kohath who are left, out of the families of the tribe of Ephraim, and out of the tribe of Dan, and out of the half of the tribe of Manasseh, by lot ten cities:

 

[G4m]

You hit the nail on the head G4m.

This is why the tribe of Dan is left out of Revelation 7:4-8, but re-instated during the Millenium (Ezek. 48:1-2, 42).

Thanks for your input RVincent!

So you agree with Amos 8:14 being a reference to the tribe of Dan (thy god, O Dan)

I wonder also why Manasseh replaced Dan instead of Ephraim. After Jacob 'put' Ephraim ahead of Manasseh in Gen 48.

Ezekiel is also a bit puzzling. Why would Dan ever be reinstated? Especially after the 144,000 have been sealed.

I've tried studying the jewels used between Ezekiel and Revelation, but that is tough going...

 

[G4m]

In the land division of Ezekiel, it shows the 12 tribes including Dan and Ephraim. The 12 tribes in revelation show Levi and Joseph(house of Judah). If revelation is the destruction of Jerusalem, then Dan and Ephraim would replace them. If the 2 "horns" of the beast of the "earth" represented these 2 tribes (joseph and levi), then the 10 "horns" of the beast from the "sea" would be the other 10 tribes.
To me, the 2 beasts represent 2 nations, the 10 northern tribes of Israel and the 2 southern tribes of Judah, with the beast of the "earth" being the harlot and also the one being destroyed (fall of "babylon"). If it is still future, I couldn't even guess what they represent, as I like to keep my interpretaion as biblical as possible, as 12 tribes are mentioned and 2 "beasts". Sounds a lot like the OT 12 tribes and 2 "nations" to me, and I believe revelation brought both nations together as one under one King, Christ. I am open to other interpretations of course, as long as it is scriptural only and not outside the bible. After all, the NT did fulfill the OT according to Christ.

jeremiah 4:15 For a voice declares from Dan("a judge") And proclaims affliction from Mount Ephraim("double ash-heap: I shall be doubly fruitful"): 16 "Make mention to the nations, Yes, proclaim against Jerusalem, [That] watchers come from a far country And raise their voice against the cities of Judah. 17 Like keepers of a field they are against her all around, Because she has been rebellious against Me," says the LORD. 18 "Your ways and your doings Have procured these [things] for you. This [is] your wickedness, Because it is bitter, Because it reaches to your heart."


Joshua 21:5 and for the sons of Kohath who are left, out of the families of the tribe of Ephraim, and out of the tribe of Dan, and out of the half of the tribe of Manasseh, by lot ten cities:

inhimitrust,

much to digest here, as always!

Thank you.

 

[RVincent]

I wonder also why Manasseh replaced Dan instead of Ephraim. After Jacob 'put' Ephraim ahead of Manasseh in Gen 48.

Hello G4m.

Ephraim and Dan are replaced with Levi and Joseph for the reasons given in Lev. 24:10-16. Deu. 29:18-21. Jud. 18:2-31 1 Kings 12:26-33.

 

[hraedisc]

Dan is a backbiter.

Genesis 49:17
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Judas was lost of the 12, too.

See with spiritual eyes.